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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    Magneto uses comic book magnetism, which is not really similar to real world magnetism, so yeah, what type of metal it is doesn't matter.

    I recall Zaladane, back in the day, complaining that some rocks were flying at her because 'she hadn't used how to use magnetism on stone yet,' and I was like, 'right, just like I haven't learned how to breathe water or swim through air...'

    Other real world wonkiness I've read.

    Heat weakens magnetism. Someone like Sunfire or even Phoenix (when she's all fiery) could amp up the heat and shut him down. Conversely, it works better in cold, hence all the babble about room-temperature superconductors (normally stuff has to be supercooled to reduce the resistance or whatever). If Magneto used science-magnetism, he'd be way stronger with a boost from Iceman.

    Controlling the 'iron in someone's blood?' That's single-atom/monatomic iron, which apparently has no magnetic trace, because the magnetism occurs as a result of interactions between iron atoms, so Magneto (or some Star Trek gizmo) can't be strong enough to 'rip the iron out of your blood.' (So, yeah, Wesley Crusher was full of crap, but we knew that.)

    The lead in bullets is mostly inert, magnetically speaking. Magneto would be able to jerk most guns out of their owners hands, and even manipulate bullets that hadn't been fired yet (by tugging on their copper jackets), but once the lead is in the air, they'd punch right through his magnetic shields... So he'd be much more effective if he stayed proactive and just disarmed everyone the second he sensed a bunch of metal guns around (or made all their guns point up, or down, or at each other, whatever).
    Magneto has always liked to show off…

    Anyway, there would be a great deal to be said if the super-heroes’ powers were examined under the magnifying glass of the science: sorry, people, French-speaking only… (Nothing about Magneto, though…)

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    Magneto's forcefields are some of the strongest in the Marvel universe. Doesn't really matter what you throw at them; metal, plastic, wood. They won't get through. If you think of him using those fields like telekinesis, maybe your brains won't have to consider the scientific fact that even neutrons have magnetic moments. The Fox-Men films dumbed down their Magneto feats and that seems to have followed the character back to the books(and creators/the fandom).
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    No, that's just physics. You know that thing ferals defy by regenerating new flesh without any nourishment. Seriously, where is the mass coming from?
    Depends on the writer. Some actually HAVE addressed this, and pointed out characters like Logan and Laura have heightened metabolism and need a higher caloric intake after healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambaryerno View Post
    Depends on the writer. Some actually HAVE addressed this, and pointed out characters like Logan and Laura have heightened metabolism and need a higher caloric intake after healing.
    I have never seen a defleshed skeleton eating a whole cow while regrowing on the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    No, that's just physics. You know that thing ferals defy by regenerating new flesh without any nourishment. Seriously, where is the mass coming from?
    The Negative Zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    No, that's just physics. You know that thing ferals defy by regenerating new flesh without any nourishment. Seriously, where is the mass coming from?
    The Flesh Dimension, the counterpart of the Punch Dimension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    The lead in bullets is mostly inert, magnetically speaking. Magneto would be able to jerk most guns out of their owners hands, and even manipulate bullets that hadn't been fired yet (by tugging on their copper jackets), but once the lead is in the air, they'd punch right through his magnetic shields... So he'd be much more effective if he stayed proactive and just disarmed everyone the second he sensed a bunch of metal guns around (or made all their guns point up, or down, or at each other, whatever).
    Since Magneto is capable of making extremely strong magnetic fields, lead might be magnetic enough to be stopped by his magnetic fields. There is no such thing as 'non-magnetic substance'. Everything is magnetic, though most is so weakly magnetic that it would take extremely strong (stronger than even our MRI machines) magnetic field to affect it. In theory, very powerful magnetic field could kill a person all by itself. Magneto manipulating for example, aluminum, is perfectly plausible as aluminum is actually weakly magnetic (or so-called paramagnetic).

    Any way, writers of course are very inconsistent in explaining his powers. Sometimes he's like "Oh no, ceramic bullets, I'm dead" and sometimes Hulk hits him and he's like "LOL my magnetic forcefield is unpenetrable!".
    And especially in the past he has been shown doing various, quite nebulously explained things, like shooting heat blasts or electric charges.

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    All superheroes and supervillains have that absurd feat that they used one (1) time for bad writing that is saved in a Wiki and their fans repeat over and over again.

    Whether it's Magneto opening wormholes, Thor traveling through time or Storm reading the electrical signals from the brains of others.

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    Gravity Reduction: Magneto's control over the magnetic and electromagnetic force is so refined that he can shut off gravity within a limited radius of himself by reversing the polarity of the earth's own magnetic field.

    Magneto´s powers involve electromagnetism, not just magnetic fields so yes I think he can given he can also alter gravity around himself enough to fly, he also can attract or repel non magnetic metals not directly but he can use the gravity around them to move them around. I would not say Magneto´s popularity raised his powers,even in the silver age when he was not well known and was often called a "poor man´s Dr Doom" , he made big feats like stopping Blackbolts power, manipulate Mjolnir, Cap´s Shield, Iron Man´s armor, make himself invisible given the manipulation over light and alter the trayectory of comets. So yes the X-men movies wanted to mostly keep mutants powers at a street level so the only time we saw Magneto truly manipulate electromagnetic fields was on X-men Apocalypse.

    Here´s the list of his powers acording to marvel:


    Magnetokinesis: Magneto has comprehensive control over all forms of magnetism and utilizes that control to manipulate any metal and achieve a variety of effects.[181] He recently proved able to effectively hold together the headless form of a Celestial.[182] Magneto can manipulate an entire planet's electromagnetic field and once even pulled back the giant metallic 'bullet' where Kitty Pryde was trapped inside, which was at least a few light-years away from Earth,[183] though these are tasks that require great effort on his part. Magneto's power is comparable with Phoenix's,[184] he has harnessed magnetism to stop armies, raise islands from ocean floors, move mountains, change the course of rivers, and threaten to devastate the world with floods and earthquakes. Magneto once blanketed the entire globe with a self-generated electromagnetic pulse that caused widespread devastation. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. It is unclear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature.

    Magnetic Force-Fields: Magneto usually protects himself with a personal force field that he can quickly expand to protect large areas. His force field has withstood the effects of multiple nuclear weapons, volcanic eruptions, the depths of space, and attacks from multiple Avengers or X-Men.[185][86] It has protected him against plasma attacks which were hotter than the sun.[186] It also remained intact after being attacked by Ghost Rider and Hercules (Earth-616).[43][citation needed][verification needed] Magneto can also use his force fields to hit or trap an enemy, and also levitate objects and beings in the air.

    Magnetic Armor: In addition to the obvious external force fields, Magneto can reinforce the metallic fibers of his uniform with magnetic fields, making his clothing like armor with a durability approaching adamantium.[187] With this ability, he can resist punches from opponents such as Namor or Colossus and remain conscious.[185][188]

    Magnetic Rays: Magneto has the ability to shoot powerful rays and electromagnetic pulses, and has shown this ability to destroy both metallic and nonmetallic objects. Magneto can also use this ability to seriously injure his enemies as he did with Storm.[45]

    Magnetic Flight: Magneto is capable of sustaining flight for very long distances and at varying speeds. Apocalypse, through attempting to replicate Magneto's power in Mystique, mentions Magneto interfaces with magnetic field lines in his immediate surroundings rather than along it. This was later confirmed by Beast and later Sinister who formed a temporary alliance to snap Mystique out of Apocalypse's influence. However, in order to travel in space, Magneto requires and is limited by the interior capacity of his force field to breathe.

    Geomagnetic Link: Magneto's X-gene plays an important role in mediating tactile perception to Earth's electromagnetic field. This trait remained even when rendered temporarily powerless by Lilandra. As it is affected, so is he. He knows instinctively all that happens to it.


    Metal/Matter Manipulation: Magneto can perceive and manipulate matter at the sub-atomic level.[184] Magneto also demonstrated the ability to indirectly manipulate non-metallic objects via metal ores they may contain. Magneto is also capable of creating powerful electromagnetic fields capable of moving and manipulating nonmetallic objects, as well as levitating them (he can also do this via force fields). He can even perceive tachyons and a variety of antiparticles.[189]

    Metal Morphing: Magneto displayed the power to physically bond metallic substances to other elements at an atomic level. This newly developed technique allows Magneto to blend alloys to earthen, watery, gaseous and even organic substances. Using such a technique was how he could commandeer the techno-organic physiology of Omega Sentinel with such relative ease.[190]

    Organic Iron Manipulation: Magneto can control the traces of iron within organic matter and can manipulate the iron-enriched blood-flow to one's brain to potentially induce very limited effects. There are only 2.5 grams of iron in the bloodstream of a healthy human body and perhaps a gram at most in the rest of the body. As a reference, a penny weighs 2.5 grams. Magneto has used his magnetic abilities to extract the adamantium bonded to Wolverine's skeletal structure.

    Electromagnetic Sight: By concentrating, Magneto can perceive the world around himself as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy. He can perceive the natural electromagnetic auras given off by living beings.

    Electromagnetic Spectrum Manipulation:
    Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy within the electromagnetic spectrum, though this is extremely tiring for him, so he primarily sticks to magnetism. He can potentially shoot and absorb forms of electromagnetic radiation or energy, create intense heat as infrared radiation, and become invisible by deflecting visible light around his body. The electromagnetic spectrum includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays -- Magneto can project any of these to some extent, though doing so would dramatically tire him.

    Electrokinesis: Magneto is capable of generating and projecting powerful bolts of electricity, due to his manipulation over the electromagnetic spectrum. He is capable of absorbing bolts of lightning and projecting an electric aura around himself.

    Wormhole Creation: Through an as of yet unknown application of his powers, Erik can open wormholes between two points in space and time in order to traverse the most impassible of distances almost instantly.

    Photokinesis: Erik can manipulate, generate and redirect various fields of light as easily as he can bend metal to his will. Becoming invisible by bending it around himself, turning Dazzlers' own luminary based powers against her, creating holographic projections cast from over a world away and change laser trajectory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    All superheroes and supervillains have that absurd feat that they used one (1) time for bad writing that is saved in a Wiki and their fans repeat over and over again.
    Word. 'Xavier can do telekinesis, because someone accidentally showed him doing it once forty five years ago!'

    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    They won't get through. If you think of him using those fields like telekinesis,
    Oh, don't even get me started on Marvel's conception of telekinesis...

    How 'move stuff with your mind' turned into 'pink force fields' I have no idea. It's like the artistic shortcut to refer to her otherwise graphically invisible power *became her superpower.* Instead of 'telekinesis,' she's 'Pink Lantern, who creates pink energy constructs and calls them telekinesis, because she's been taught about her powers by a bald creepy Heaven's Gate-looking muther...' (Much like how the Flash, over at DC, was drawn with the lightning bolt decorations on his costume trailing behind him, and, ten years later, he's got the ability to throw lightning bolts!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    Word. 'Xavier can do telekinesis, because someone accidentally showed him doing it once forty five years ago!'



    Oh, don't even get me started on Marvel's conception of telekinesis...

    How 'move stuff with your mind' turned into 'pink force fields' I have no idea. It's like the artistic shortcut to refer to her otherwise graphically invisible power *became her superpower.* Instead of 'telekinesis,' she's 'Pink Lantern, who creates pink energy constructs and calls them telekinesis, because she's been taught about her powers by a bald creepy Heaven's Gate-looking muther...' (Much like how the Flash, over at DC, was drawn with the lightning bolt decorations on his costume trailing behind him, and, ten years later, he's got the ability to throw lightning bolts!)
    The pink field thing doesn't bother me much, tbh. It just helps to better follow the action, like when Xavier raises his hand to his head or Magneto gestures with his hands when using his powers.

    Or when Superman and Cyclops have a red glow in their eyes when they are angry. If you think about it it doesn't even make sense but it looks cool.

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    Magneto’s powers also extend to his magnetic personality, which he can use to charm anyone except for his children, who still hate him whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyinthesky View Post
    Gravity Reduction: Magneto's control over the magnetic and electromagnetic force is so refined that he can shut off gravity within a limited radius of himself by reversing the polarity of the earth's own magnetic field.

    Magneto´s powers involve electromagnetism, not just magnetic fields so yes I think he can given he can also alter gravity around himself enough to fly, he also can attract or repel non magnetic metals not directly but he can use the gravity around them to move them around. I would not say Magneto´s popularity raised his powers,even in the silver age when he was not well known and was often called a "poor man´s Dr Doom" , he made big feats like stopping Blackbolts power, manipulate Mjolnir, Cap´s Shield, Iron Man´s armor, make himself invisible given the manipulation over light and alter the trayectory of comets. So yes the X-men movies wanted to mostly keep mutants powers at a street level so the only time we saw Magneto truly manipulate electromagnetic fields was on X-men Apocalypse.

    Here´s the list of his powers acording to marvel:


    Magnetokinesis: Magneto has comprehensive control over all forms of magnetism and utilizes that control to manipulate any metal and achieve a variety of effects.[181] He recently proved able to effectively hold together the headless form of a Celestial.[182] Magneto can manipulate an entire planet's electromagnetic field and once even pulled back the giant metallic 'bullet' where Kitty Pryde was trapped inside, which was at least a few light-years away from Earth,[183] though these are tasks that require great effort on his part. Magneto's power is comparable with Phoenix's,[184] he has harnessed magnetism to stop armies, raise islands from ocean floors, move mountains, change the course of rivers, and threaten to devastate the world with floods and earthquakes. Magneto once blanketed the entire globe with a self-generated electromagnetic pulse that caused widespread devastation. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. It is unclear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature.

    Magnetic Force-Fields: Magneto usually protects himself with a personal force field that he can quickly expand to protect large areas. His force field has withstood the effects of multiple nuclear weapons, volcanic eruptions, the depths of space, and attacks from multiple Avengers or X-Men.[185][86] It has protected him against plasma attacks which were hotter than the sun.[186] It also remained intact after being attacked by Ghost Rider and Hercules (Earth-616).[43][citation needed][verification needed] Magneto can also use his force fields to hit or trap an enemy, and also levitate objects and beings in the air.

    Magnetic Armor: In addition to the obvious external force fields, Magneto can reinforce the metallic fibers of his uniform with magnetic fields, making his clothing like armor with a durability approaching adamantium.[187] With this ability, he can resist punches from opponents such as Namor or Colossus and remain conscious.[185][188]

    Magnetic Rays: Magneto has the ability to shoot powerful rays and electromagnetic pulses, and has shown this ability to destroy both metallic and nonmetallic objects. Magneto can also use this ability to seriously injure his enemies as he did with Storm.[45]

    Magnetic Flight: Magneto is capable of sustaining flight for very long distances and at varying speeds. Apocalypse, through attempting to replicate Magneto's power in Mystique, mentions Magneto interfaces with magnetic field lines in his immediate surroundings rather than along it. This was later confirmed by Beast and later Sinister who formed a temporary alliance to snap Mystique out of Apocalypse's influence. However, in order to travel in space, Magneto requires and is limited by the interior capacity of his force field to breathe.

    Geomagnetic Link: Magneto's X-gene plays an important role in mediating tactile perception to Earth's electromagnetic field. This trait remained even when rendered temporarily powerless by Lilandra. As it is affected, so is he. He knows instinctively all that happens to it.


    Metal/Matter Manipulation: Magneto can perceive and manipulate matter at the sub-atomic level.[184] Magneto also demonstrated the ability to indirectly manipulate non-metallic objects via metal ores they may contain. Magneto is also capable of creating powerful electromagnetic fields capable of moving and manipulating nonmetallic objects, as well as levitating them (he can also do this via force fields). He can even perceive tachyons and a variety of antiparticles.[189]

    Metal Morphing: Magneto displayed the power to physically bond metallic substances to other elements at an atomic level. This newly developed technique allows Magneto to blend alloys to earthen, watery, gaseous and even organic substances. Using such a technique was how he could commandeer the techno-organic physiology of Omega Sentinel with such relative ease.[190]

    Organic Iron Manipulation: Magneto can control the traces of iron within organic matter and can manipulate the iron-enriched blood-flow to one's brain to potentially induce very limited effects. There are only 2.5 grams of iron in the bloodstream of a healthy human body and perhaps a gram at most in the rest of the body. As a reference, a penny weighs 2.5 grams. Magneto has used his magnetic abilities to extract the adamantium bonded to Wolverine's skeletal structure.

    Electromagnetic Sight: By concentrating, Magneto can perceive the world around himself as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy. He can perceive the natural electromagnetic auras given off by living beings.

    Electromagnetic Spectrum Manipulation:
    Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy within the electromagnetic spectrum, though this is extremely tiring for him, so he primarily sticks to magnetism. He can potentially shoot and absorb forms of electromagnetic radiation or energy, create intense heat as infrared radiation, and become invisible by deflecting visible light around his body. The electromagnetic spectrum includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays -- Magneto can project any of these to some extent, though doing so would dramatically tire him.

    Electrokinesis: Magneto is capable of generating and projecting powerful bolts of electricity, due to his manipulation over the electromagnetic spectrum. He is capable of absorbing bolts of lightning and projecting an electric aura around himself.

    Wormhole Creation: Through an as of yet unknown application of his powers, Erik can open wormholes between two points in space and time in order to traverse the most impassible of distances almost instantly.

    Photokinesis: Erik can manipulate, generate and redirect various fields of light as easily as he can bend metal to his will. Becoming invisible by bending it around himself, turning Dazzlers' own luminary based powers against her, creating holographic projections cast from over a world away and change laser trajectory.

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    Honestly based on this his powers aren’t really magnetic it’s moving things on the molecular level using gravity. He is more like the molecule man except the scale is more limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    Magneto’s powers also extend to his magnetic personality, which he can use to charm anyone except for his children, who still hate him whatever.
    lol this may be the case he does well enough with small children like Luna or Anya or adolescents like the new mutants and Billy or Tommy but bring him his adolescent children or young adult children and he just doesn´t know what to do, I headcanon he didn´t had much of an adolescence he went from childhood to adulthood quite quickly and he expects his children to be the sameway add to this his life was not normal by any means and just like most parents he´s way more easy on his grandchildren. The emotional distance is what makes him a better mentor than parent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantor
    Honestly based on this his powers aren’t really magnetic it’s moving things on the molecular level using gravity. He is more like the molecule man except the scale is more limited.
    Exactly the main difference is that molecule man main power is manipulation of matter at a subatomic level while magneto can do something similar with electromagnetic fields but it´s way harder for him to do it and his body and mind can take a beating over it so he usually uses his powers on certain levels unless he has a need to use them in a bigger scale like when he fought the Beyonder, Proteus or Phoenix Jean.

    I think this is a good thing all powerful characters can get boring quickly in comics because there´s no tension to build around them and I like that magneto´s powers at least has some basic scientific explanation.
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