Can we move on to other myths about Superman?
Can we move on to other myths about Superman?
No, my argument is based on the transformation and tonal shift that occurred to the character in the earlier years. Saying cap rippedoff superman is like saying superman is ripoff of Edgar Rice Burroughs characters and zorro.Furthermore,there weren't much subversions with superman of these old heroes. Batman on the other hand did subvert aspects from characters like superman, shadow, zorro... Etc.Cap never was a vigilante, nor did he like flexing much muscles to showoff(as far as i have read) . His was a story of boy who became the savior. There was genuine innocence and good there. Superman was making statements from the get go. The s itself is one.If you ask me, the company buried captain marvel.
Last edited by manwhohaseverything; 10-19-2020 at 06:12 PM.
You're again showing ignorance of the actual stories you're referring. The courts found that Captain marvel ripped off Superman panel from panel, feats by feats.
Also no, DC didn't bury Captain marvel, Fawcett had option for another appeal but the sales had been so abysmal that Captain Marvel had been replaced by a talking dog in his own comic and that's why Fawcett folded down its operations. . It was low sales which killed Captain Marvel.
Last edited by Superfan90; 10-19-2020 at 08:19 PM.
Nah! I am going by what i felt reading the books. You didn't provide any links that said the testimonies were proven false in court. If you have i would happily oblige.All you did was, the provide the other argument put forth by the defendend as a "even if we did, the accusers failed to do so and so. Therefore, accused can do so and so".
This is what i know is the only thing that stands againts my assessment. Fawcett's circulation director Roscoe Kent Fawcett recalled telling the staff, "Give me a Superman, only have his other identity be a 10- or 12-year-old boy rather than a man".
While it is true that the editorial directive was to “[create] a Superman, only have his alter ego be a 10–12-year old boy,” the court found that there was no attempt to deceive the reader into thinking that Captain Marvel was Superman, or that a Captain Marvel comic book was a Superman comic book, so any arguments as to whether the character of Captain Marvel violated the copyright on the character of Superman were invalid.The characters were distinctive superman was borderline zorro and billy was a boyscout.
Will Lieberson said, only one of 154 instances of similar feats produced by dc wasn't countered as not being copied by Fawcett .
https://archive.vn/20140906072002/ht...t-publication/
From the link you provided
Cap actually copying superman would be similar to superman copying zorro. Face it, superman is maskless zorro with scifi strength instead of a sword.Copying
The evidence as to actual copying is conflicting.
Last edited by manwhohaseverything; 10-20-2020 at 09:32 AM.
Why do you think I'm saying differently? I literally said that he was ripoff in my first post. However, that's hardly a knock on the character since the creative teams at Fawcett took the character in a very different direction, and Superman is no stranger to also ripping off other characters, including from Captain Marvel, Doc Savage, and others.
Wow. I don't think I've seen a thread descend into a bar fight this fast in some time.
To Jim's gentlemanly point: Superman was the first superhero. Almost every trope associated with superheroes had been done before Action Comics #1.
- Secret Identities? The Scarlet Pimpernel.
- Characters getting superpowers in alien environments? John Carter of Mars.
- Capes and outlandish costumes? Flash Gordon
In fact, Superman was far closer to his pulp ancestors than what we now think of as superheroes. Aside from his attitude, the character spent a lot less time in costume in his first few adventures than he did in a variety of disguises.
I'll try to think up some "myths"--although some might simply be bones of contention.
George Reeves committed suicide.
Lois Lane is stupid.
Luthor being bald was an artist's mistake.
Luthor hates Superman because he made him bald.
Superman is not an American citizen.
Every actor who ever played Superman or one of his supporting cast is cursed.
Pre-Crisis, Clark Kent always acted like a coward in public.
Joe Shuster was totally blind and only drew a handful of Superman stories.
Superman is not Canadian.
The Flash is faster than Superman.
Batman is the better super-hero.
Yes. There was John Carter. Also, Superman's initial powers were not only the same as Hugo Danner from Philip Wylie's novel, "Gladiator" but Superman had those powers to the exact same level at the beginning. Bursting shell/ 8th of a mile/ speeding train, etc.
As you said, everybody was ripping off everybody in comics. It was a big deal because it was all just getting started and there were far fewer characters. Nowadays, nobody would even think Captain Marvel was a ripoff of Superman were he just starting today.
Yeah, we had a lot of characters with very much the same or very similar powers. But John Carter, Hugo Danner, Superman and Captain Marvel were all very different characters with very different backgrounds once you get past the basic powers. Carter wasn't doing the sorts of things or in the situations Danner was in and Danner wasn't in the situations Superman was in. Early Superman was very much a fighter against social evils while Cap was in a far more whimsical world.
Power with Girl is better.
At the time, certain things like the costumes that were meant to emulate Circus strongman costumes, plus the symbol on the chest, could be argued as a ripoffs. Today, there are so many characters that meet that description that you couldn't get it into court.
And, of course, I think we are all in agreement that, by the same argument, Superman rips off John Carter and Hugo Danner because it's the same logic if someone wants to make the ripoff argument and ignore the originality of 95% of the characters. That is to say that 95% of Superman is original and 95% of Cap is original.
Power with Girl is better.
Well, I remember seeing an interview with a Forensics expert who said that anyone who thinks the death of George Reeves doesn't fit as a suicide just doesn't know anything about forensics. He said a lot has obviously changed between 1959 and the present but he concurs with the findings of the coroner in 1959 that this was a classic suicide. The things most people think don't make sense are stuff from movie and television suicides as opposed to reality, especially the physical evidence.
The Lois Lane thing is based on people applying real world standards to the stories. Superman disguises himself by wearing glasses. That's the world Lois lives in. She's not stupid just because she can't figure out who Superman is in that story setting.
The Luthor hates Superman because he made him bald thing probably depends on which continuity and even which story.
A Post-Crisis myth is that Superman is ignorant of science. We probably can "thank" DKR for that one.
Power with Girl is better.
The myths I see most about Supes are the following:
Superman is boring
Superman is helpless against magic welders
Superman can't fight
There was a thread on Superman being cursed. The whole magic thing, like many things I've seen mentioned here, is true enough to many interpretations. But I think people forget the difference between vulnerability and an effect that negates his powers. Magic doesn't cancel his powers, so even if he's vulnerable he's not helpless. He survived spells that would kill and even use his superhuman tolerance to withstand spells he had dealt with previously.
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And those characters of edger rice Burrough like tarzan and john carter have inspirations as well.For instance, Tarzan took inspiration from jungle book that much i know of. Does that mean they are rip-offs? We need something to build something. That's just how it is and modern scifi/fantasy owes itself to three people Edgar Rice Burroughs, Rudyard Kipling,... Etc. From star wars to avatar, everything is inspired by what these guys created.
Finally on a side note, siegel and shuster didn't use weaker gravity as explanation. Siegel and shuster's explanation had superman's physiology being the reason. They compared superman to insects and bugs.Gravity was a later explanation.
Last edited by manwhohaseverything; 10-21-2020 at 08:37 PM.