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    Default The Three Types of Bat Sidekicks - Which is Your Favorite?

    1. Bruce, You're Going Too Far! You're Too Paranoid Or Brutal

    -Why Dick Grayson became Nightwing
    -Why Tim Drake Became Robin

    2. Bruce, You're Not Going Far Enough! Your Rules/Morals Make You Soft

    -Why Jason Todd Becomes Red Hood
    -Why Damian Wayne Conflicts With His Father

    3. Bruce, You're Doing This Right. We Need You, And It's Fun To Tag Along

    -Why Barbara Gordon Becomes Batgirl
    -Why Carrie Kelly Becomes Robin
    -Why Cassandra Cain Becomes Batgirl
    -Why Terry McGinnis Becomes Batman
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    For some reason, for a second when I saw the thread title, I thought this was a debate about which kick Bruce should favor, a side snap kick, or a side thrust kick...

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    none of the above.

    Dick becoming Nightwing doesn't belong in the same bracket as Tim becoming Robin WTf!

    Tim Drake's Robin tenture was when the phrase BatJerk was coined so his presence did nothing since Bruce just got worse. Not to mention that batman needing a 13yr old to be his morality is seriously messed up and begs the question what is such a person doing fighting crime if you need a kid holding the leash.

    + the idea of Bruce endangering another person's kid after losing his own is seriously messed up. [Tim and Nightwing can't be grouped together because 1 is very harmful and mental abuse of a minor while the other is a sidekick becoming a man]

    Option 2 Bruce doesn't have the right to kill he doesn't even have the right to fightcrime so that option has no legs.

    Option 3 if i had to pick but none of the sidekicks in that bracket are my fav so none the above

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    Probably none of the above, but the third would be the closest for me. I can appreciate all the sidekicks mentioned in that group, but Barbara is the only one I'm attached to.

    So option 3 if it was just Dick and Babs.

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    Tim arguably fit option 3 as much as he fit option 1 because he believed in Batman and he enjoyed being Robin with Batman.

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    I think number three; more lighthearted supporting characters contrast Batman's seriousness better.
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    Default THE ONE BAT SIDE KICKS Narrative that maters-

    You left off the only one that maters.

    A. Dick Grayson Robin taking on his Parents murderers alone, somersaulting, kicking, slingshotting, and tossing them off scaffolding one by one, to their deaths, going to far, until Batman has to come in and save one to confess, before Robin kills them all. Bruce seeing what he himself could have become in Robin , reals him in so he doesn't become that.

    = Why Batman, became Batman & Robin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    You left off the only one that maters.

    A. Dick Grayson Robin taking on his Parents murderers alone, somersaulting, kicking, slingshotting, and tossing the off scaffolding to their deaths, one by one, going to far, until Batman has to come in and save one before Robin kills them all, to confess. Bruce seeing what he himself could have become in Robin , reals him in so he doesn't become that.

    - Why Batman became Batman & Robin,
    Agree with this. Grouping Tim and Nightwing together makes no sense and shouldn't be an option since they are not at all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    You left off the only one that maters.

    A. Dick Grayson Robin taking on his Parents murderers alone, somersaulting, kicking, slingshotting, and tossing them off scaffolding one by one, to their deaths, going to far, until Batman has to come in and save one before Robin kills them all, to confess. Bruce seeing what he himself could have become in Robin , reals him in so he doesn't become that.

    - Why Batman became Batman & Robin,
    Wait, has that actually been depicted as Robin's origin?

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    OP Question -

    Option 2 and Option 3 are my picks. I hate the "edgy" brutal side-kick trope, If you're going to do such a thing with a character send them off on their own ASAP (see Jason Todd post-resurrection following his brief stint as Robin).
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    Bette Kane became Batgirl to help her aunt out
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    My favorite is
    Option 4 - I'm pretty much doing my own thing but I appreciate the support that comes with being your protege, Bruce.

    How Duke Thomas made himself a "Robin" his own way, rejected the moniker when he finally earned the training from Batman, and then became the Signal.
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    Option 1: Robin being the laid back/comical sidekick to strict hero Batman, Robin being in Bruce's life helps him as much as it helps them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    My favorite is
    Option 4 - I'm pretty much doing my own thing but I appreciate the support that comes with being your protege, Bruce.

    How Duke Thomas made himself a "Robin" his own way, rejected the moniker when he finally earned the training from Batman, and then became the Signal.
    I'll second this Option 4.

    And I can appreciate the sense of independence that's apparent even when a naturally independent person chooses to exercise their independence by taking tutelage under someone else. You don't stop having a mind of your own and a strong, independent will just because you willingly acknowledge you can gain something by being someone's protégé and act on that acknowledgement. And I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    My favorite is
    Option 4 - I'm pretty much doing my own thing but I appreciate the support that comes with being your protege, Bruce.

    How Duke Thomas made himself a "Robin" his own way, rejected the moniker when he finally earned the training from Batman, and then became the Signal.
    This. I actually much prefer the versions of Dick's origin where its clear he would have been doing this with or without Bruce's help. What Bruce does is take a kid who was anyway ready to put himself in danger to bring his parent's killer justice, and give him the means to do so while not a) getting himself killed, and b) not turning into a killer or a monster of some sort himself.

    Its one of the things I really liked about the Robin origin in Batman Forever. And in the flashbacks in the BTAS episode "Robin's Reckoning". Plus the New 52 as well.

    The seeds of this were actually there in the original story too - Dick was ready to go to the cops but Bruce intervened and told him that the cops were corrupt and in Zucco's pocket so he would only be going to his death. And then he took the kid, who was desperate to avenge his parents, in and figured that he might as well channel that thirst for justice into something positive. I'd like to think that, implicit in that story, was the notion that if Bruce didn't train Dick to become Robin, Dick would have gone and recklessly tried to take on Zucco himself and gotten killed. Or that he would have become a vigilante himself on his own. And he figured "The kid is gonna do it anyway...I might as well train him up and keep an eye on him". Of course, modern retellings make that more explicit.

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