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    I agree, just from a meta standpoint, rebooting the state of the galaxy just so you can rehash the same rebel vs. Empire storyline was so intellectually lazy
    DC, hurry up and make your own version of Marvel Unlimited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    LFL actually tried very hard to construct a story to justify the Empire collapsing one year after ROTJ, using a general uprising, multiple major campaigns, and even more cases of the Empire “self-destructing”, with Operation Cinder and Rax’s coup/deliberate attempts to destroy vast portions of the Imperial Fleet.

    I just wish they’d been as imaginative and logistically self-aware when it came to the Galaxy after the Empire. I really don’t mind the idea of the Republic struggling to govern afterwards, or of being hugely less militarized and centralized than the Empire, since that’s a more intelligent and dramatic issue to have. What I hate is having the GFFA at large be so docile and apathetic that LFL clearly wanted the FO treated a de facto refunded Empire - that’s both boring and depressingly disappointing, not to mention aggravatingly small minded for the Galaxy.


    I mean, how many hundreds-of-mil*******to-tens-of-billions of Galactic Civil War Veterans, Ex-Imperial Slaves, and victims of Imperial atrocities are still hanging around and likely still in positions of power? And they have no reaction to a resurgent Imperial state?

    Not to mention it did not help to have TLJ make the First Order a giant collection of idiots compared to what they were in TFA.

    The sum total impact of both was to take a vulnerable and not very imaginative situation from TFA, and make it twice as banal, boring, and apathetic. The Galaxy lacked both the desire and the basic intelligence to defeat a bunch of morons who couldn’t handle a small flotilla of fleeing ships without massive casualties.

    TLJ was trying to deconstruct then reconstruct the Galactic conflict, but it really just made me wonder if the Galaxy deserved to be saved if it was so pathetic.
    We also have to remember that the Empire didn't have a very firm grasp on many things over the 2 decades, even before RO they had to explain the case to the senate and hide the Death Star's construction. This is why they focused so hard on the Death Star and only after that did the Emperor disband the senate. So the opposition force is always there and their reign was not so firm. Not to say many of the moffs have their own ambition. The Empire was never that firm on its control.

    Also it's not a small number that they lost in the 2 Death Stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
    They already have a huge military that could cause serious threat to the Empire, forcing them to make another Death Star and finally beat the Empire. Along with a very strong lead to fight for decades.

    I don't think it's the same with the Empire, it's like you can make strong nation like US and Britain without turning them into Nazi Germany or USSR. Even the old EU have something like that. Also a Galactic Republic being obliterated by SK base like that was not even about "strong" or "weak", it's about "is that Republic even a functional thing?"
    The Rebel fleet was always portrayed as being tiny and insignificant compared to the Imperial forces, which is why they always resorted to hit and run tactics. The only way the Republic could have maintained any sort of significant military presence would be to co-opt the former Imperial soldiers into their own ranks, something that is obviously fraught with extreme risk. And yeah, it's possible to have a strong government with a strong military without turning into a totalitarian dictatorship, but in case you never learned the history of the UK or US, both countries only had any semblance of freedom or democracy within their "core" territories, while maintaining large colonial empires where their military presence and heavy handed rule was indistinguishable from that of any other empire. It's not so much that the destruction of Hosnian was something that a functioning government would have been unable to recover from, but that the New Republic was already having trouble asserting its authority or maintaining the legitimacy of its rule outside of the immediate core worlds, something we've seen in the Mandalorian. The elimination of their leadership was just a signal that the Republic was too weak and dysfunctional to defend itself and whatever semblance of control they had would have quickly collapsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    The Rebel fleet was always portrayed as being tiny and insignificant compared to the Imperial forces, which is why they always resorted to hit and run tactics. The only way the Republic could have maintained any sort of significant military presence would be to co-opt the former Imperial soldiers into their own ranks, something that is obviously fraught with extreme risk. And yeah, it's possible to have a strong government with a strong military without turning into a totalitarian dictatorship, but in case you never learned the history of the UK or US, both countries only had any semblance of freedom or democracy within their "core" territories, while maintaining large colonial empires where their military presence and heavy handed rule was indistinguishable from that of any other empire. It's not so much that the destruction of Hosnian was something that a functioning government would have been unable to recover from, but that the New Republic was already having trouble asserting its authority or maintaining the legitimacy of its rule outside of the immediate core worlds, something we've seen in the Mandalorian. The elimination of their leadership was just a signal that the Republic was too weak and dysfunctional to defend itself and whatever semblance of control they had would have quickly collapsed.
    Not really, they were able to assemble a full scale assault in EP6 against the main fleet of the Imperial Navy and pretty much destroyed the fleet plus the Death Star II.

    Yeah so what? The new Republic can force some harsh rules or demand trade, it's nowhere close to the Galactic Empire. Also we don't have to go with these details, the Republic can and should recover from a strike like that. It's understandable that some systems didn't go along and got lost. But it makes 0 sense that the whole Republic presence is gone from the galaxy and nothing other than those rebels have left.

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