"The New Republic got wiped out so soon" was just dumb

[ChrisIII]

There's some of the Marvel comics where the Empire is continuing to mine Kyber with what's left of Jedha.

It's a bit unclear what the Kyber does, a lot of SW media seems to infer it's mainly needed as some kind of focusing crystal, but in Rogue One Cassian calls it "fuel" for the weapon.

[ChrisIII]

Curiously the last Mandalorian episode sort of dropped a hint that the New Republic (or the Core worlds, at least) are not taking the threat of remnants seriously.

[Frontier]

Curiously the last Mandalorian episode sort of dropped a hint that the New Republic (or the Core worlds, at least) are not taking the threat of remnants seriously.

I think this was touched on in the Leia novel as well, which is why Leia joined the Resistance.

It was part of why the First Order was able to build up their power.

[WebLurker]

Curiously the last Mandalorian episode sort of dropped a hint that the New Republic (or the Core worlds, at least) are not taking the threat of remnants seriously.

That would be consistent with the rest of the franchise's world-building.

[ChrisIII]

Chandrila-the capital at this point-was also name dropped as was Coruscant. (The NR has shifting capital planets; hence why Hosnian Prime is it in TFA).

[godisawesome]

The failure of the New Republic’s political apparatus isn’t really that abnormal an idea, or is the idea of the FO managing a near-crippling first strike with a super weapon.

The stupid part is the insistence across the entire ST that only the Resistance would mount up as an insurgency to it once SKB fired, and that the entirety of the New Republic’s navy was located in one place, just so they could replicate the Imperial vs Rebel theme of the OT, but in a less interesting way.

And that was a group project for that particular failure; it's arguably the one area where I’d say that Rian Johnson may have shown himself more conventional and repetitive than Johnson, rather Han trying to subvert things for shock value. I think he decided to try christening the Resistance “Rebellion” again because he thought the pretense of something different was a waste of time, similar to his decision to depict the FO’s military as strong enough and Galatcic Resistance weak enough that he could argue the entire GFFA would fall in a matter of weeks, which was insane.

Not that Abrams escapes this, mind you; it was his idea to have SKB fire on and “destroy” the New Republic and wipe out its main fleet. And he was the one leaning hard into those archetypes and imagery first. It’s just he also seemed to think that maybe TLJ went a bit too far, since he had TROS show the FO worried enough about logistics months later to be willing to take Palpatine’s deal, and eventually had the rest of the GFFA show up for the final fight... but that was too little, too late.

The key mistake of the ST with regards to the military conflict was trying to ape the OT set-up and not do anything different, even when logic would have dictated some differentiation.

There were about 30 years between the OT and ST, with the vast majority of the Galaxy outside of the FO’s control. Losing your government and your first-rate naval ships is a critical blow... but logistically and politically speaking, there should have still been a massive amount of manpower and lower-rate ships rising against the FO, and the FO should have had their logistical issues specified and used for dramatic effect earlier.

I mean, France was fighting pretty much everyone during the middle of the most chaotic part of its revolution, and that was including a Royalist insurgency. The ST would have benefitted much more from having the FO resisted by numerous factions in the New Republic remnant beside Leia’s own, and from having the FO have to maintain some of the TFA-depicted competence in taking them on.

The overall problem of the boring, uninspiring, and lore-wise depressing repetition is shared by everyone; I may accuse Johnson of being more banal and less imaginative than Abrams in his take on it, but I also think he was just struggling with the scale of the horrors in TFA in his film, and had a somewhat abstract and juvenile view of the “Wars” part of Star Wars, not too dissimilar from Abrams’s adolescent adrenaline junkie view.

[Zero Hunter]

The dumb thing is even if the New Republic didn't keep a standing fleet you would think the individual worlds would have beefed up their own planetary security and armies just to makes sure what happened with the Empire could not happen again without at least some kind of a fight. Of coarse everything about the sequel era is just pretty stupid in the way the New Republic acts.

[thwhtGuardian]

The dumb thing is even if the New Republic didn't keep a standing fleet you would think the individual worlds would have beefed up their own planetary security and armies just to makes sure what happened with the Empire could not happen again without at least some kind of a fight. Of coarse everything about the sequel era is just pretty stupid in the way the New Republic acts.

That sums up just about any plot question concerning the sequel trilogy, "Why did X happen that way?" ..."Because it was a poorly planned and executed project" and there is no other reason to go further than that, why make up a convoluted fan theory when the answer is so simple?

[ChrisIII]

The dumb thing is even if the New Republic didn't keep a standing fleet you would think the individual worlds would have beefed up their own planetary security and armies just to makes sure what happened with the Empire could not happen again without at least some kind of a fight. Of coarse everything about the sequel era is just pretty stupid in the way the New Republic acts.

I think that's part of how the Republic functioned prior to the Clone Wars-a lot of planets just had their own fleets and really the only centralized thing was the Jedi.


There hasn't been too much old Republic stuff released during the Disney era apart from alluding to it here and there so it's a bit unclear if the Republic once had a big fleet but later disbanded it like in the old EU. (Which was sort of a retcon to explain why the Republic had these big fleets in Tales of the Jedi and Knights of the Old Republic but the Republic in the prequels didn't until the War).

[lowfyr]

I think one of the main problems with the ST is that they were so afraid not to anger the fans with it. The result was that they played it so safe that it was a new version of A new hope. Even more problematic was that they had nothing planned out and were going from movie to movie.

But even if they took more effort with that Abrahams would not have been the right guy to do it.

[Frontier]

I think one of the main problems with the ST is that they were so afraid not to anger the fans with it. The result was that they played it so safe that it was a new version of A new hope. Even more problematic was that they had nothing planned out and were going from movie to movie.

But even if they took more effort with that Abrahams would not have been the right guy to do it.

I think the problem with the ST was that it never found quite the balance between pleasing old fans and carving something new, with one movie swinging one way and the other swinging the exact opposite way, leaving the third movie to pick up the pieces.

[PwrdOn]

Given that the original trilogy gave us the scrappy outlaws vs. totalitarian dictatorship story, and the prequels gave us the corrupt government in decline, it seems like the natural course to take for the sequels is to portray the Republic as the good guys who won the war only to see themselves turn into the bad guys. For example, the new government could have a maniacal drive to wipe out remaining Imperial pockets and to purge any suspected sympathizers or collaborators, all while neglecting to actually do much rebuilding or governing of their new territory, and the re-established Jedi order might turn into dogmatic light side fundamentalists, obsessed with purity and intolerant of any hint of dark side influence. And within this kind of setting, you could establish a conflict pitting the heroes of the original against a new crop of resistance fighters.

[ChrisIII]

^The old EU defiantly delved into some of that. One of the recurring characters was a corrupt Bothan Senator who was always sort of a thorn in the heroes' sides.

The "Legacy of the force" storyline also featured a new civil war with some unsure of what side to take, at least at first (and also sort of featured a proto-Kylo Ren with Jacen Solo going Darth).

[Starter Set]

The whole idea that you can destroy such an entity as the galactic republic just by killing its politicians, and the billions of people who were on those poor planets, kind of act who truly is the sign of a sane organisation, is just the kind of ridiculous ideas that trilogy is filled with.

It's like saying, oh well, let's nuke Washington, the US of A are going to dissapear.

Well, no, bonehead.

Kind of like when the all so clever Emperor thought that to get ride of the senate would resolve his political issues. Well, no, bonehead lol. Somehow people are still mad.

Go figure. Must be those lefties we heard so much about.

[SuperiorIronman]

The whole idea that you can destroy such an entity as the galactic republic just by killing its politicians, and the billions of people who were on those poor planets, kind of act who truly is the sign of a sane organisation, is just the kind of ridiculous ideas that trilogy is filled with.

It's like saying, oh well, let's nuke Washington, the US of A are going to dissapear.

Well, no, bonehead.

Kind of like when the all so clever Emperor thought that to get ride of the senate would resolve his political issues. Well, no, bonehead lol. Somehow people are still mad.

Go figure. Must be those lefties we heard so much about.

We literally saw the Empire collapse as it lost its centralized Government body. This isn't like taking out DC, this is like America was obliterated and the global allies have to figure out what to do. It's not just a matter of a few politicians dying. It's that government is outright gone, a hefty chunk of millitary, resources, senators, representatives, and people (because in the real world people do live in the region) are now vaporized. The New Republic's system of government is gone leaving the other systems to fend for themselves. You can't just pull government out and expect everyone to just be fine let alone to find out they all got assassinated. You know how the atomic bombs got dropped and Japan had this fear of nuclear weapons ever since? That's what the Death Star or even Starkiller is. It's the inciting of fear and decimation of way of life unlike anybody could ever manage with an army.