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    Like a lot of creators, I always feel like Byrne wanted write around Wonder Woman instead of about Wonder Woman and her concepts. I’m thankful for his addition of Cassandra Sandsmark though.

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    If all a writer does is concentrate on the main character, it gets boring fast. The comics I enjoy build a world around the main character and use those surrounding characters for story points. I feel like Byrne really loved Wonder Woman and he wanted to give her a big world, occupied by many other characters. And he wanted to revive ideas from all of Wonder Woman's history--not just from the reboot.

    I also like consistency. Some people didn't like John Byrne's art style. But I thought it was quite good and he managed to keep producing all that art over a long run. I just wish it had been longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Not the first and already done before...Calling Gateway City iconic is, at best, a very liberal use of the word...Just what qualifies as a normal person talking in your view?
    Some good points, here. Truthfully, Diana's interaction with then-not-annoying Cassie were her most human moments. John Byrne's run reminded us that the leading lady needs a supporting cast to achieve a semblance of the humanity, which Lynda Carter brought the 70s TV series, ..and Bryne, in an interview, expressed he was inspired by that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    I would say its the baseline for a good Wonder Woman run; the art is consistent, the narrative insular and tightly written for the most part, its the only Wonder Woman run that develops her supporting cast; Donna Troy, Cassie and Artemis (that's kind of pathetic, eh?). There are some interesting ideas for sure, but like a lot of post-Crisis WW runs, I don't think it added much to Wonder Woman's lore, there are a lot of 'foreign' elements to it (like the main bad guy being the devil). His run features the death of a major DC character, but if you compare it to the other 90's 'downfall' stories (Doomsday, Knightfall, that Parallax story) it's completely forgettable.
    He burned his goodwill on two impossibly ambitious ideas, that he didn't carry off...couldn't. The Donna Troy 'magic twin' fix worked for me, right up until Dark Phoenix ripoff, Dark Angel [Seriously...Dark Angel?] showed up, with her pointy, 80s clubgear. Making Hippolyta the Golden Age Wonder Woman was such a wasteful enterprise, when Byrne had already crafted the perfect, flawlessly perfect solution for that continuity trap--another magic-mirror twin or parallel double. He didn't need to screw up Hippolyta's role in the Wonderverse for that.

    Byrne tried to do, too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    If all a writer does is concentrate on the main character, it gets boring fast. The comics I enjoy build a world around the main character and use those surrounding characters for story points. I feel like Byrne really loved Wonder Woman and he wanted to give her a big world, occupied by many other characters. And he wanted to revive ideas from all of Wonder Woman's history--not just from the reboot.

    I also like consistency. Some people didn't like John Byrne's art style. But I thought it was quite good and he managed to keep producing all that art over a long run. I just wish it had been longer.
    I love you, Jim Kelly. The man makes it plain and dead-on. In total agreement on all of the above...

    But, I'll add that I think he attempted too much. At best, leading in with the 'Second Genesis' arc, Byrne might have had a disciplined, structured, progressive run, bringing the WW comic an appropriately mutable narrative situation (iconic city, etc), regular supporting cast, the reintroduction of beloved and familiar story elements (I-Jet, etc) and most important of all...non-stop ACTION!!!
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    COMBINING THE BIGBADITUDE OF THANOS WITH CHEETAH'S FEROCITY, IS JANUS WONDER WOMAN'S GREATEST SUPERVILLAIN?...on WONDABUNGA!!! Look alive, Kangaliers!

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    While it wasn't as strong as I expected, I still enjoyed the run.
    Hippolyta becoming the WW2 Wonder Woman was an interesting development that allowed for WW solo or JSA stories set in the past. That was my favorite thing he did with the title.
    I thought that Donna should've been Hippolyta and Wild Cat's daughter, but instead we got the weird magic twin thing.

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    The only thing I did not like about it was the Donna storyline. I appreciate what he tried to do, bit it just added another layer of muddy water to her story
    Other than that I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    I think The Contest from Loeb's run is a better fit in for the "Downfall of Established Hero/New Replacement" storyline than the stuff from Byrne.
    They're both definitely working off the same trends, from both the shock 'Wonder Woman' deaths to her battling demons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OBrianTallent View Post
    The only thing I did not like about it was the Donna storyline. I appreciate what he tried to do, bit it just added another layer of muddy water to her story
    Other than that I thoroughly enjoyed it.
    The mirror twin aspect was inoffensive-an only child being lonely for a playmate rang true. However the Dark Angel multiple lifetimes of tragedy thing was too much of a way to validate every other origin and therefor continue the problem.


    On the "John Byrne tried to do too much front", whenever he writes, pencils, inks, and even letters a comic, his overall work suffers. I think he maxes out at 3 of those roles and is probably best left at only 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Dyer View Post
    ...At best, leading in with the 'Second Genesis' arc, Byrne might have had a disciplined, structured, progressive run, bringing the WW comic an appropriately mutable narrative situation (iconic city, etc), regular supporting cast, the reintroduction of beloved and familiar story elements (I-Jet, etc) and most important of all...non-stop ACTION!!!
    I love that, in addition to adding the Spectre's iconic city to her new situation, John Byrne actually gave Diana a NEW job, that flawlessly fits her backstory and makes sense. I would like to see more of her, as an archaeologist or antiquities expert
    COMBINING THE BIGBADITUDE OF THANOS WITH CHEETAH'S FEROCITY, IS JANUS WONDER WOMAN'S GREATEST SUPERVILLAIN?...on WONDABUNGA!!! Look alive, Kangaliers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Dyer View Post
    I love that, in addition to adding the Spectre's iconic city to her new situation, John Byrne actually gave Diana a NEW job, that flawlessly fits her backstory and makes sense. I would like to see more of her, as an archaeologist or antiquities expert
    I wouldn't and Byrne's run is the reason why. How many times is some ancient artifact coming to life and wreaking havoc? At the Gateway City Museum it seemed to happen every week. All their shipments must have been stamped "Open At Your Own Risk".

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    Byrne's run might be my least favorite of the Vol. 2 writers. But it's still somewhat readable, I guess. I've only read it once in completion quite a few years ago, but I remember it being leagues above Finch or Robinson.

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    I don't mind Diana as an archaeologist or antiquities expert, but there's really no logical reason she should have information outside a fairly narrow geographic area and timeframe (when she first comes to man's world). I mean, unless we go old-school with a portal to the world on Themyscira for them to know all. Nor that she should know anything about excavation, etc. They might have the discipline of historian on Themyscira, but not really archaeology, one wouldn't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirteen View Post
    I think this art is pretty cute.
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    I haven't reread it since but I was mildly pleased with it at the time. I did like her mom being the GA Wonder Woman only because it kind of explained why Donna's looks and powers were what they were before Diana came to man's world. I was glad he tied Donna back with her family but it was way too complicated. I didn't like Cassie and her mom at first, because I too felt they were just rehashes of the Kapatelis. The Kirby stuff was okay but I hated that Byrne tried to make the New Gods more powerful the the Greek pantheon. As for Diana herself, I didn't like the shrinkage of her costume, but it was the 90s. Hated the overly large tiara. I did like Diana becoming the Goddess of Truth tho.

    Overall, I would give it a 3 out of 5. Maybe I'll reread it one of these days.

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    Prior to the announcement that he was taking over -- I thought he would be an excellent choice. But he screwed the pooch on this one. It wasn't a total disaster, but I had expected so much better than he delivered. He was no George Perez when it came to handling mythology. Also his supporting cast was just a rip off of Perez's. Then there is that huge tiara. Ugh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    I think this art is pretty cute.
    It's cute there but it started like this...

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