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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    I just read BWS's Weapon X in it's entirety. Wow! TAS did a fair rendition for a kid's cartoon, but this original was amazing in its visceral violence and visual storytelling. I think only a writer-artist like BWS could achieve this feat. How dare Fox center their entire X-Men franchise around Wolverine and yet so utterly fail in translating this to screen?
    Yeah, is amazing how poorly made was the adaptation of that storyline, even when they gave Logan far too much attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    Yeah, is amazing how poorly made was the adaptation of that storyline, even when they gave Logan far too much attention.
    Eh, at least FOX gave him far more character development than those degenerates that were lying around with Marvel. Fox gave us Logan in 2017, and I don't think any Wolverine comic is comparable to it over the last 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    I just read BWS's Weapon X in it's entirety. Wow! TAS did a fair rendition for a kid's cartoon, but this original was amazing in its visceral violence and visual storytelling. I think only a writer-artist like BWS could achieve this feat. How dare Fox center their entire X-Men franchise around Wolverine and yet so utterly fail in translating this to screen?
    The flashback scenes were the best depictions of his time in Weapon X. Although to do it justice you probably would've gotten an R rating, and Fox didn't roll the dice on that until way too late in the game. Which is a shame because all of the R rated movies are good to amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishop View Post
    Eh, at least FOX gave him far more character development than those degenerates that were lying around with Marvel. Fox gave us Logan in 2017, and I don't think any Wolverine comic is comparable to it over the last 15 years.
    I didn't like any of the Wolvie solos. The second one was almost okay, but it completely jumped the shark in the third act. Logan was pretentious snuff porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    I didn't like any of the Wolvie solos. The second one was almost okay, but it completely jumped the shark in the third act. Logan was pretentious snuff porn.
    That’s your hot take and you’re entitled to it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    I didn't like any of the Wolvie solos. The second one was almost okay, but it completely jumped the shark in the third act. Logan was pretentious snuff porn.
    Sure.. I guess you are entitled to your opinion and I am guessing you are not a fan of Wolverine either but really if you ask any normal guy who is a fan of Wolverine, he will surely mention Hugh Jackman. So hate him all you want heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishop View Post
    Sure.. I guess you are entitled to your opinion and I am guessing you are not a fan of Wolverine either but really if you ask any normal guy who is a fan of Wolverine, he will surely mention Hugh Jackman. So hate him all you want heh.
    He is man, not the biggest but he likes him and regardless he is under no obligation of liking Logan (the movie).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishop View Post
    Sure.. I guess you are entitled to your opinion and I am guessing you are not a fan of Wolverine either but really if you ask any normal guy who is a fan of Wolverine, he will surely mention Hugh Jackman. So hate him all you want heh.
    Wolvie is my favorite X-Man after Storm[as in the Claremont run]. I am highly critical of what Fox did in all their films. Overall I find them completely off base. Other people can think what they want. I don't begrudge Hugh, he did fine, but the directors/producers/writers should be ashamed of themselves.

    I have hope that Feige will do a much better job at Logan, Ororo, and the others, assuming Hollywood/society doesn't completely implode before he gets a chance. Especially with Disney+ shows on the table, we might actually get the character work and team/family dynamic they deserve, which Fox wasted for 20 years.
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    Don’t take this the wrong way, as I’m not trying to be an ass, but I think you might be setting yourself up for disappointment in some areas with regards to the MCU X-men. And I think you might need to be a bit more open minded to the possibility that it won’t fit your vision entirely or live up to your narrow expectations exactly. Not to say you might not get some of the character work/family bonding stuff you crave, but in other ways you might be disappointed.

    You seem to be a huge fan of a very specific era of X-men stories (an era that I also greatly enjoy by the way) and are very much a canonical purist in terms of adherence to the source material. Feige has blended many eras into the MCU narrative he’s woven to date, and also shown a willingness to depart from comic book source material at times in service of that narrative. So I do think you should prepare yourself for that possibility. He’s likely not going to follow the formula exactly, going from the O5 era in the first film to the ANAD team in the second, and on from there following the comics exactly as things happened there. Take Spider-man, for example. After two franchises that gave us the origin story, he skipped that entirely with the MCU version and jumped right into him already being Spidey. I’m not sure if Uncle Ben — a hugely pivotal an important figure in his life — was ever even referenced. In fact, Feige went so far as to put Tony Stark more into that role of mentor and father-figure. And the loss of him after Endgame affected Peter profoundly, in that same way. So he kind of made Stark a stand-in for Uncle Ben. I’m actually shocked the Spidey purists aren’t screaming more about this. But I digress...

    ... the point being, it seems that you want things to follow the comics exactly. That’s unlikely to happen. It also seems as though you want Logan to play a very specific role in the X-men team films and not be too prominent. By the same token, you don’t really want him branching outside of that too much with his own solo Wolverine franchise, or to be in the (New) Avengers films or anything like that. But Logan is just too big of a character now to be restricted in the way you want him to be. So I think he’s either going to dominate the X-men team films all over again, or they’ve got to give him his own lane where he can get that focus. The latter is what I’m hoping for personally because I also don’t want to see him overshadow all the other X-men. But I also don’t want to see the character held back and not used to his potential as an A-list character either.

    So I hope you get some of what you want... that being the family dynamic and close bonds (especially between Logan, Ororo and Kurt)... but I feel quite certain you won’t get everything you want in terms of strict adherence to the comics and limited use of Wolverine across the MCU. Again, no offense intended. But from what I’ve gleaned from your posts it seems like this is what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Wolvie is my favorite X-Man after Storm[as in the Claremont run]. I am highly critical of what Fox did in all their films. Overall I find them completely off base. Other people can think what they want. I don't begrudge Hugh, he did fine, but the directors/producers/writers should be ashamed of themselves.

    I have hope that Feige will do a much better job at Logan, Ororo, and the others, assuming Hollywood/society doesn't completely implode before he gets a chance. Especially with Disney+ shows on the table, we might actually get the character work and team/family dynamic they deserve, which Fox wasted for 20 years.
    Nothing will make me more happier than Marvel moving on from Logan being too Claremont than what they have been doing for more than last 15 YEARS. Not to mention MCU and Quesada were the VERY reason why Marvel scapegoated X-Men, making Wolverine's IP(intellectual property) to be a total mess and suffering the most. Fox gave a clear cut character development and continuity to Logan which Marvel made a total mess in comics. I hate it and don't even get me started with MCU.
    I thought Claremont's run was fine or great even at it's time for Logan but I always tell to those knuckle heads who were writing Wolverine in Marvel "jeez get over Claremont". There are other writers like Hama, Lobdell or even Tieri. This is my opinion and that's all I can say.

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    I definitely want to see the BWS version of Weapon X done justice and also all of the Claremont Madripoor stuff from his early solo series, combined with the Larry Hama stuff during the Cold War involving Team X. But for all that to happen, I think Logan is going to need his own Disney+ series.

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    I can see the MCU approaching X-Men abit like Whedons Astonishing. Already established at the school etc.
    It’s only a feeling I’ve had, but every since they got the rights to the X-Men I’ve had a feeling Kitty would be the lead (of sorts)

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    My main reason for being hopeful of Feige's version is that he is actually a fan of the comics. Singer and all of them at Fox could barely be bothered to even read them. They blundered their way with cliff notes and season 1 of TAS. If Feige hadn't been on set as LDS's assistant begging them to do it, we wouldn't have even gotten Logan's signature hairstyle. That kind of passion goes a long way with me.

    I don't expect a 1:1 reproduction. As much as I love Claremont's run, it's not flawless, a few tweaks here and there could polish it for modern audiences. Honestly Feige's Avengers are great, far more enjoyable to me than the old 616 versions in most cases(Hawkeye, Black Widow, and BP are the least favorable, but they all have/had new content coming to further define them). I wish he'd used even more inspiration from Millar's Ultimates.

    Feige's continuity and world-building is unmatched. Now that he's perfected his engine using the leftover scraps, I relish to see what he does with the X IP. I think he's already shown that even with a lead(Iron Man), he can still spread the wealth. If he wants to have a gritty Weapon X show on Disney + Adults, go for it! But I don't think he's going to completely divorce Logan from the main team, nor do I think he has to(the series could be set in the past a lot of the time, contrasting with his appearance with the team, showing the audience what Logan himself and the team are unaware of).

    It's all conjecture at this point anyways. It would be years before any of this gains traction. We'll see what happens.
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