Rank these characters!

[Jackalope89]

My tentative Strength Ranking. Not every character is represented

1. Thor
2. The Hulk
3. Superma
4. Wonder Woman
5. Thanos*
6. Goku**
7. Aquaman
8. Akuma
9. Godzilla
10. Buttercup Utonium
11. Blossom Utonium
12. Bubbles Utonium
13. Gamera
14. Invincible
15. Savage Dragon
16. Ultraman Belial
17. Ultraman
18. Naruto Uzumaki
19. Monkey D. Luffy
20. Astro Boy
21. Dr. Doom
22. Iron Man
23. Kratos
24. King Kong
25. Popeye the Sailor Man
26. The Thing
27. Optimus Prime
28. Spider-Man
29. Samurai Jack
30. Ben 10
31. Mario***
32. Po the Panda
33. Pikachu
34. Stitch
35. Steven Universe
36. Spawn
37. Ruby Rose
38. Master Chief
39. Scrooge McDuck
40. Kenshiro
41. The Terminator
42. Robocop
43. Loki
44. Captain America
45. Shrek
46. Conan the Barbarian
47. Hellboy
48. Buffy Summers
49. Rapunzel
50. Batman
51. Jason Voorhees


* I place Thanos lower than the hulk because the Hulks strength varies. While Thanos has manhandled the Hulk, that doesn't mean he's above Hulk's highest levels.

**In the Tournament of power, it was shown that Goku could not escape a black hole-like attack with his physical strength, which would put him below Wonder Woman's level. Additionally, he was able to do so with his Kamehameha, which indicates that his energy attacks are stronger than his physical ones, which throws the idea of scaling into question.

*** Mario's castle feats are massive outliars if you treat them as if the castles are as big as the levels, but they fit right in if you base it on the cut scene visuals, so I'm going to put him below Kratos.

Just to ask; are we discounting power-ups for Goku like Ultra Instinct? Because each time Goku has accessed it, be it the incomplete form or the Mastered form, his power dwarfs that of what it would be in Blue Kaio-Kenx20 (as shown when he overwhelmed Jiren).

Another thing to note; the arena in Tournament of Power was made of "Kachi-Kachin", the strongest (and possibly densest? the regular form is shown to be incredibly heavy by itself) material in the DB multiverse. And by the end of it, it was being shattered like glass at times.

[Jcogginsa]

Just to ask; are we discounting power-ups for Goku like Ultra Instinct? Because each time Goku has accessed it, be it the incomplete form or the Mastered form, his power dwarfs that of what it would be in Blue Kaio-Kenx20 (as shown when he overwhelmed Jiren).

Another thing to note; the arena in Tournament of Power was made of "Kachi-Kachin", the strongest (and possibly densest? the regular form is shown to be incredibly heavy by itself) material in the DB multiverse. And by the end of it, it was being shattered like glass at times.

Not discounting it, I just doen't really know how to factor it in. Stuff's too nebulous for me to work out.

[Nik Hasta]

Weiss isn't using her acceleration glyph, she was using a gravity glyph to help ruby run up the cliff

Even better, Weiss is adjusting gravity so Ruby isn't actually lifting the big bird, she's dragging him. Makes the feat worse even.

It was the one where he pushed over the colossal pillar. Not as good as the Kenshiro feats you pointed out, but it's very solid

The word "colossal," doing a ton of work there.

Can you elaborate on that?

Okay, so Mark, post all the feats you listed there, generally fucks around on the level of "level entire mountain ranges while wrestling a dude," "throw an aircraft carrier sized spaceship into orbit," and encounters Thragg. Thragg utterly beasts him, dismembers his dad who was on his level at this point and Mark can't do more than break his fists on Thragg's body.

Fast forward to the end of the series, Mark has undergone several powerups and is able to hold his own against Thragg while having an extended fight inside the surface of the sun. Dude gets way up there.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Even better, Weiss is adjusting gravity so Ruby isn't actually lifting the big bird, she's dragging him. Makes the feat worse even.



The word "colossal," doing a ton of work there.



Okay, so Mark, post all the feats you listed there, generally fucks around on the level of "level entire mountain ranges while wrestling a dude," "throw an aircraft carrier sized spaceship into orbit," and encounters Thragg. Thragg utterly beasts him, dismembers his dad who was on his level at this point and Mark can't do more than break his fists on Thragg's body.

Fast forward to the end of the series, Mark has undergone several powerups and is able to hold his own against Thragg while having an extended fight inside the surface of the sun. Dude gets way up there.

I think it was "just above the surface of the sun", when they actually took a sun dip it killed Thragg and nearly killed Mark; the fight itself slowly burning them alive.

Still, pretty cool fight sequence.

[Jcogginsa]

Even better, Weiss is adjusting gravity so Ruby isn't actually lifting the big bird, she's dragging him. Makes the feat worse even.



The word "colossal," doing a ton of work there.



Okay, so Mark, post all the feats you listed there, generally fucks around on the level of "level entire mountain ranges while wrestling a dude," "throw an aircraft carrier sized spaceship into orbit," and encounters Thragg. Thragg utterly beasts him, dismembers his dad who was on his level at this point and Mark can't do more than break his fists on Thragg's body.

Fast forward to the end of the series, Mark has undergone several powerups and is able to hold his own against Thragg while having an extended fight inside the surface of the sun. Dude gets way up there.

1. It's still a very good feat though. Not enough to be over Kenshiro, now that I know about the feats you pointed out, but still very good
2. It's a very big pillar by all indications. Several times the size of the slab of rock Kenshiro moved. Again, the new feats you've pointed out put Kenshiro in a higher tier, but based just on the feats I posted putting Jack above Ken is entirely reasonable.
3. Okay. I don't think Mark's topping Goku,so other than Aquaman and Akuma, the people I originally had pegged above Invincible and below Goku were Composite Gamera, Composite Godzilla, and the Power Puff Girls. Would you say Mark tops all five of them?

[Jcogginsa]

Second go at a list.

1. Thor
2. The Hulk
3. Superman
4. Wonder Woman
5. Thanos*
6. Goku**
7. Invincible
8. Sun Wukong
9. Akuma
10. Godzilla
11. Buttercup Utonium
12. Blossom Utonium
13. Bubbles Utonium
14. Gamera
15. Aquaman
16. Savage Dragon
17. Ultraman Belial
18. Ultraman
19. Naruto Uzumaki
20. Monkey D. Luffy
21. Astro Boy
22. Dr. Doom
23. Iron Man
24. Kratos
25. King Kong
26. Popeye the Sailor Man
27. The Thing
28. RX-78 Gundam
29. Kenshiro
30. Optimus Prime
31. Spider-Man
32. Samurai Jack
33. Ben 10
34. Mario***
35. Steven Universe
36. Pikachu
37. Po the Panda
38. Stitch
39. Spawn
40. Master Chief
41. Ruby Rose
42. Scrooge McDuck
43. The Terminator
44. Robocop
45. Raphael
46. Leonardo
47. Michelangelo
48. Donatello
49. Loki
50. Captain America
51. Guts the Black Swordsman
52. Asterix
53. Shrek
54. Judge Dredd
55. Conan the Barbarian
56. Hellboy
57. Star Butterfly
58. Buffy Summers
59. Rapunzel
60. Batman
61. Jason Voorhees
62. Avatar Aang
63. Xena
64. Imhotep
65. Rick Sanchez
66. Geralt of Rivia
67. Sherlock Holmes
68. James Bond
69. John Constantine

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Why is Thanos rated below the Hulk, and Thor?

[Nik Hasta]

How is Dr Doom above Iron Man?

How is Guts above Asterix?

Samurai Jack being above Steven Universe feels a bit off.

Kratos being below Iron Man also feels a bit odd.

[Beadle]

The Iron Man vs Kratos one I could kinda buy... I mean Kratos isn’t Class 100, is he? And Tony’s a solid Class 80.

I have a problem with:

“25. King Kong
26. Popeye the Sailor Man
27. The Thing”

King Kong climbs skyscrapers. Ben Grimm uses them as swords (OK, not the Empire State, but still).

And Popeye does even more ludicrous stuff.

(Edit: Plus every Rumble with King Kong in it reminds me of ‘King Kong: Wizard Puncher’ from the old board. Still makes me laugh.)

[Jcogginsa]

Why is Thanos rated below the Hulk, and Thor?

Hulk is above Thanos because His Worldbreaker showings are better than Thanos' planet smashing feats, and while Thanos has beaten the Hulk before, the Hulk's power can vary a lot so I don't think it's enough to put Thanos ahead of the World Breaker.

Thor is ahead of Thanos because he's got a feat that is on par with the World Breaker (Both of them have busted a planet so hard it damaged a nearby moon while wrestling with another character), and I just plain forgot to check for how Thor has done in fights with Thanos.

How is Dr Doom above Iron Man?

How is Guts above Asterix?

Samurai Jack being above Steven Universe feels a bit off.

Kratos being below Iron Man also feels a bit odd.

1. Doom and Iron Man have grappled before, so they're on par. I basically coin flipped this one.
2. That one is basically just gut feel, I can switch it.
3. Iron Man has a bunch of "Lifting really heavy metal things" just like Kratos does, so I consider them roughly on par. It's another coin flip, basically.

[Jcogginsa]

The Iron Man vs Kratos one I could kinda buy... I mean Kratos isn’t Class 100, is he? And Tony’s a solid Class 80.

I have a problem with:

“25. King Kong
26. Popeye the Sailor Man
27. The Thing”

King Kong climbs skyscrapers. Ben Grimm uses them as swords (OK, not the Empire State, but still).

And Popeye does even more ludicrous stuff.

(Edit: Plus every Rumble with King Kong in it reminds me of ‘King Kong: Wizard Puncher’ from the old board. Still makes me laugh.)

It's Composite Kong, so he's got a punch of Godzilla fighting feats. Can Ben lift 20,000 tons?

As for Popeye, I'm not sure how "Punches dudes into another state/country" compares to "swings around skyscrapers like Swords"

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Hulk is above Thanos because His Worldbreaker showings are better than Thanos' planet smashing feats, and while Thanos has beaten the Hulk before, the Hulk's power can vary a lot so I don't think it's enough to put Thanos ahead of the World Breaker.

They really aren't?

Thanos is routinely above Hulk in every confrontation to the point where he used beating the Hulk near to death, but not killing him; as a showing of good faith. To say nothing of how he beat the Surfer to death in 8 blows. Something that shouldn't have to be explained as far as "how ridiculous of a feat this is".

Any way you slice it, Hulk's feats pale in comparison to Thanos'. Hell, Thor has better showings against Thanos, and while dying, slapped all hell out of a Hulk stronger than WB Hulk.

Not to mention.

Thor is ahead of Thanos because he's got a feat that is on par with the World Breaker (Both of them have busted a planet so hard it damaged a nearby moon while wrestling with another character), and I just plain forgot to check for how Thor has done in fights with Thanos.

Hulk has no clean planet busting feats.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

I guess a bigger question is.

Why are you making this list to begin with.

[Jcogginsa]

They really aren't?

Thanos is routinely above Hulk in every confrontation to the point where he used beating the Hulk near to death, but not killing him; as a showing of good faith. To say nothing of how he beat the Surfer to death in 8 blows. Something that shouldn't have to be explained as far as "how ridiculous of a feat this is".

Any way you slice it, Hulk's feats pale in comparison to Thanos'. Hell, Thor has better showings against Thanos, and while dying, slapped all hell out of a Hulk stronger than WB Hulk.

1. the Hulk's strength varies. Stronger than the Hulk in one fight doesn't mean being stronger than the Hulk at his peak.
2. I was gonna question you on the "slapped the hell out of a Hulk stronger than Worldbreaker" but then I remembered I put Thor above the Hulk anyway, so it doesn't really matter

Not to mention.



Hulk has no clean planet busting feats.

Then what is this?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

1. the Hulk's strength varies. Stronger than the Hulk in one fight doesn't mean being stronger than the Hulk at his peak.

He's fought Hulk multiple times, and slapped the hell out of the Hulk each time. Nearly beating the Hulk to death and then tossing his barely alive body on the ground only to say, "hey I didn't kill him I'm not bad this time I swear!" Speaks pretty well to the guy's strength.

You're also clinging to WB Hulk like he's some sort of... paragon of strength and he's really not.

Hulk usually gets by in fights because 1) in comics nobody is going to write someone tearing his head off, 2) he heals and gets angrier.

I guess to lay it out more plainly.

Silver Surfer treats planet busters (like Beta Ray Bill) like garbage; beating on them so hard he's apologizing for it. He also ignores hits from Maestro and can intimidate him into not even trying to fight him with a few words. Maestro > WB Hulk.

Thanos beat the Surfer to death in 8 punches.

2. I was gonna question you on the "slapped the hell out of a Hulk stronger than Worldbreaker" but then I remembered I put Thor above the Hulk anyway, so it doesn't really matter

Post-WB Hulk amped by Odin's brother. So stronger than he's usually portrayed.

Then what is this?

Heart of the Monster, where he is explicitly amped with magic from the Wishing Well, along with the rest of his rogues gallery.