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    Quote Originally Posted by hareluyafan1 View Post
    There's something I've often wondered about Power Rangers. Like it or not there's no question the Rangers have superhuman durability. They get blasted with energy bolts, slashed by Goldar's long-sword and so on, and while they get knocked down (with the classic burst of sparks), they don't sustain any injury from these attacks.

    Now what would happen if a morphed Ranger was shot with a regular gun? Would the bullets just bounce off like Superman or would it produce the standard "burst of sparks and they fall down" reaction? Same with something like a minigun or an anti-aircraft gun. What if a normal person hit a morphed Ranger with a regular knife/axe/sword etc? Would it have any effect on the Ranger or would the weapon just break?

    To clarify I'm not claiming that the Power Rangers have durability equal to Superman. I'm just wondering if mundane non-magical, non-superhuman, non-sci-fi weapons would have any effect on them at all.
    I know at least one RPM Monster was basically made of guns, The Gat Bot, so that's a good reference, and I'm certain other villains have used guns against the Rangers, it's just the in PR the bullets are usually changed to lasers.

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    There was at least one episode back in Dairanger where a monster possessed a human and he took a small gun and shot at the Rangers. Red flinched but it basically bounced off his suit no harm done.

    As for Melee weapons, they get hit with those all the time and can weather the hits pretty well. So long as the hit isn't overly insanely strong, they'll likely get back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    I know at least one RPM Monster was basically made of guns, The Gat Bot, so that's a good reference, and I'm certain other villains have used guns against the Rangers, it's just the in PR the bullets are usually changed to lasers.

    For example!

    Thanks. That's a good point.

    Ah yes, "laser pellets." I remember reading a PR/Sentai message-board where people were rolling their eyes at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    There was at least one episode back in Dairanger where a monster possessed a human and he took a small gun and shot at the Rangers. Red flinched but it basically bounced off his suit no harm done.
    Cool. That's what I'd expect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    As for Melee weapons, they get hit with those all the time and can weather the hits pretty well. So long as the hit isn't overly insanely strong, they'll likely get back up.
    True. What I mean is that Ranger/monster weapons in PR/Sentai are usually the product of either magic or super-advanced technology. How would effective would a regular, non-magical steel weapon be? If say, Aragorn slashed a morphed Ranger with his long-sword (not Narsil, the one he had when he fist met the hobbits), would it have any effect or would it just bounce off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hareluyafan1 View Post
    Thanks. That's a good point.

    Ah yes, "laser pellets." I remember reading a PR/Sentai message-board where people were rolling their eyes at that.



    Cool. That's what I'd expect.



    True. What I mean is that Ranger/monster weapons in PR/Sentai are usually the product of either magic or super-advanced technology. How would effective would a regular, non-magical steel weapon be? If say, Aragorn slashed a morphed Ranger with his long-sword (not Narsil, the one he had when he fist met the hobbits), would it have any effect or would it just bounce off?
    Probably knock them back a bit, maybe some sparks, but most Ranger suits should handle that just fine.

    Depending on the PL of the swordsman of course.

    Also, Movie or Book Aragorn?
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    How would Ahsoka Tano and Galen Marek (after becoming a good guy/Jedi) get along/chat/etc?

    ...Okay, maybe not weird, but it doesn't quite fit crossovers either.

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    Why do devil fruit powers, especially those of logias, often work on the clothes being worn by the user as well, instead of straight up destroying them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul # 7 View Post
    Why do devil fruit powers, especially those of logias, often work on the clothes being worn by the user as well, instead of straight up destroying them?
    Because One Piece isn't a hentai series. Can't have all the logia, zoan, and transforming paramecia running around butt-ass naked in battle after they use their devil fruit power for the first time.

    However in the non-canon Clockwork Island Adventure movie, the logia user Honey Queen's clothes didn't transform with her (but in her case, she just left the clothes behind after transforming into her element, she didn't destroy them). Though that may be more of a personal choice thing instead of something caused by her devil fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dog View Post
    Because One Piece isn't a hentai series. Can't have all the logia, zoan, and transforming paramecia running around butt-ass naked in battle after they use their devil fruit power for the first time.

    However in the non-canon Clockwork Island Adventure movie, the logia user Honey Queen's clothes didn't transform with her (but in her case, she just left the clothes behind after transforming into her element, she didn't destroy them). Though that may be more of a personal choice thing instead of something caused by her devil fruit.
    I get that that's the IRL reason, though it doesn't have to pornographic you know. It could be done in a humerous fashion (I've always thought that a newbie logia like wrecking their clothes the first time they turn into acid or whatever would be quite funny).

    I'm mainly wondering if in his massive library of One Piece lore, Oda has some explanation for it.

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    Not sure how weird it is, but often when a character has a certain power I can start incessantly pondering exactly how and why it works the way it does. Examples:

    Ochako Uraraka from My Hero Academia: Cancels the gravity of things she touches, causing them to float in the air. Okay, so first of all, if she completely turns gravity off, wouldn't the object or person in question be flung into space because the planet is actually moving very fast all the time? So, does she actually create some sort of equilibrium between gravity and anti-gravity? Secondly, what constitutes "one thing"? Like, if she touches the hood of a car, does her power transmit to all the individual components of that car? If so, shouldn't it also affect anything that happened to be touching it? Which in turn suggests she should be able to "chain" her quirk through multiple objects. Could she, in theory at least, use her power on the entire planet by touching the ground?

    Toru Hagakure, also from MHA: Is apparently permanently invisible. Her quirk seems to work via light manipulation since she eventually learns to refract and redirect light, which at least explains why we don't see food passing through her when she's eating and stuff like that. Though, in that case she should also be blind since no light would reach the photoreceptors in her eyes. (Though I admit that falls under suspension of disbelief for most characters with invisibility.) So, couldn't this power be very easily negated by say splashing her with paint, or dumping a bag of flour on her, or knocking her into a mud puddle, etc? Heck, simply being doused in water should realistically mess with her invisibility. For that matter, shouldn't everyday contact with ordinary dirt, dust and so on eventually make her body at least faintly visible? This seems like a major weakness that should have come up at some point. I'm assuming she generates some sort of field around her body that bends light around her, but it has to be very thin since it doesn't affect her clothes at all.

    Kyoko Machi from Demi-chan wa Kataritai: Is a dullahan whose head is separate from her body, so she has to carry it around. Aside from this she is basically just a normal teenager. Internally the anatomy of her neck and throat is apparently totally normal, so when her head eats the food goes into her stomach and so on. She's also constantly aware and in control of her body no matter how far the two are separated. This immidiately made me go: "Wait, doesn't that mean her head and neck are connected through space-time by a goddamned Portal-style wormhole? Because that's kind of a huge deal!" This was actually confirmed to be exactly the case in one episode, but all of the characters just kinda went "Huh, that's neat" over that revelation. Even the physics professor who examined her and explained the whole thing didn't seem particularly excited about having an actual Einstein-Rosen bridge just sitting there in his office. Realistically every physicist on the planet would go totally bananas over something like that.

    See, it's stuff like this that makes me wish I could enter fictional stories just so I could grab the character by the shoulders and shake them while yelling: "Do you have any idea how weird your powers are? How do they work!?"
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    For what it's worth, Ochako is only just getting over not being rendered a puking mess from using her power on things that are around her own weight, so using it on the Earth itself is probably not in the cards regardless of how much her powers' grow.

    Also, I think that Toru's ability to manipulate light refraction deliberately needed specific gadgets. That said, mud/paint/flour should still be a huge vulnerability from the footprints alone. I'm wondering if Aizawa will ever negate her Quirk on screen (presumably while she's wearing clothes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    I'm wondering if Aizawa will ever negate her Quirk on screen (presumably while she's wearing clothes).
    I'm wondering if Aizawa can negate Toru's quirk.

    I mean, I only have knowledge of his quirk from the wiki (with all the problems thereof) but it read like he can't cancel the quirk of someone he can't see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fervidor View Post
    Toru Hagakure, also from MHA: Is apparently permanently invisible. Her quirk seems to work via light manipulation since she eventually learns to refract and redirect light, which at least explains why we don't see food passing through her when she's eating and stuff like that. Though, in that case she should also be blind since no light would reach the photoreceptors in her eyes. (Though I admit that falls under suspension of disbelief for most characters with invisibility.) So, couldn't this power be very easily negated by say splashing her with paint, or dumping a bag of flour on her, or knocking her into a mud puddle, etc? Heck, simply being doused in water should realistically mess with her invisibility. For that matter, shouldn't everyday contact with ordinary dirt, dust and so on eventually make her body at least faintly visible? This seems like a major weakness that should have come up at some point. I'm assuming she generates some sort of field around her body that bends light around her, but it has to be very thin since it doesn't affect her clothes at all.
    MHA seems to play fast and loose when it comes to how it implements the "how it'd work in reality" rule. Toru Hagakure ignores the "you wouldn't be able to see if you were invisible" part of invisibility. Mt. Lady completely ignores the Square Cube Law and says '**** you' to "conservation of mass". And then there's the nightmare that is the likes of the Slime Villain and how he even exists.

    Then there's Izuku and One For All and Mirio and Permeation. Though they obey it so they won't break the story (Izuku with OfA) and to make them look like a more worthy OfA holder by showing them learn to use a "difficult" Quirk (Mirio).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    For what it's worth, Ochako is only just getting over not being rendered a puking mess from using her power on things that are around her own weight, so using it on the Earth itself is probably not in the cards regardless of how much her powers' grow.
    Wiki says her limit is three tons, actually. And I'm pretty sure she could easily use her quirk on stuff far heavier than herself right from the start.

    More to the point, it says three tons is the limit because beyond that she gets incredibly nauseous. Which is sort of a really weird way to put it, because it implies she is not limited by how much mass she can degravitate but rather by how much of her own power she can tolerate.

    So, assuming she didn't get nauseous at all, what would the actual limit of her quirk be? Does she even have one?

    Also, I think that Toru's ability to manipulate light refraction deliberately needed specific gadgets.
    I'm not completely sure, but I don't think so?

    That said, mud/paint/flour should still be a huge vulnerability from the footprints alone.
    I just keep thinking: "Why hasn't anyone thought of trying that?"

    I'm wondering if Aizawa will ever negate her Quirk on screen (presumably while she's wearing clothes).
    I'm assuming he'd only do so with her expressed permission (more likely at her request) or in an emergency where making her visible is necessary for some reason.

    Then again, he does seem to be authorized to use his quirk on any of his students whenever he deems it justified, including just making a point. I could maybe see him doing it if Toru, say, tried sneaking past him when ordered to stay put, especially if she was going to do something reckless or dangerous. Of course, in that case there's a good chance she would be naked. >_>

    You know, this is just my headcanon, but I imagine Toru as a cute girl but very disheveled - like her hair is a total mess and so on - because she doesn't see any point in caring about her appearance at all. I also picture her as very pale, for obvious reasons.

    Additionally, I imagine she doesn't want people to see her because it would feel like an invasion of privacy, and she has no idea how to handle other people judging her appearance since she's never had to deal with it. Thinking about it, even she probably isn't quite sure what she really looks like. That has to do weird things with your self-image.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noldere View Post
    I'm wondering if Aizawa can negate Toru's quirk.

    I mean, I only have knowledge of his quirk from the wiki (with all the problems thereof) but it read like he can't cancel the quirk of someone he can't see.
    ...That's actually a very good point.
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    Did Reed Richards make the unstable molecule available to all the Marvel villains? Villain costumes don't seem to get ripped up any more often than hero costumes. What about civilians?

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