Worst Father in MU?

[Frontier]

What is even MCU Ultron like? Seemed like a generic "Humans suck so Imma kill 'em", which if that's the case, really not as interesting as the mess of a robot with daddy issues he is in the comics.

He also quipped. Can't forget about the patented Tony Stark quips .

Ross only has one kid being Betty and outside being strict, he was pretty good to her which makes a good dad. Yeah, he's an asshole to other characters but tough shit for them.

I think the worst thing he ever did to Betty was criticize her choice in boyfriend and prefer Talbot, but that's pretty reasonable.

(I forget, was he involved in turning her into Red She-Hulk?).

[Triniking1234]

Yeah. Him turning into Red Hulk and Betty into Red She-Hulk was part of his deal with Intellgencia. I think Fall of the Hulks and whatever the following event covered that.

[mung]

Black Bolt and Gorgon are pretty bad.
Black Bolt's problem is putting his Attilan above Ahura. He agreed with cancel when they wanted to abort him. He allowed the same council to take after he was born. They thought Ahura was going crazy so he put him in a psychic coma. Gave him to kang, honestly this wasn't so bad in context but he didn't tell him beforehand.

Gorgon has two kids. Gorgon is a tough warrior guy and he wants his kids to be warriors too. So he repeatedly had his eldest daughter bathed in terrigen to make her strong. She wanted to date an alpha primitive and he was having none of that.
As for his son he only got terrigen once but it turned him into a little Minotaur monster that needed life support to survive.

[Noek]

Black Bolt and Gorgon are pretty bad.
Black Bolt's problem is putting his Attilan above Ahura. He agreed with cancel when they wanted to abort him. He allowed the same council to take after he was born. They thought Ahura was going crazy so he put him in a psychic coma. Gave him to kang, honestly this wasn't so bad in context but he didn't tell him beforehand.

Gorgon has two kids. Gorgon is a tough warrior guy and he wants his kids to be warriors too. So he repeatedly had his eldest daughter bathed in terrigen to make her strong. She wanted to date an alpha primitive and he was having none of that.
As for his son he only got terrigen once but it turned him into a little Minotaur monster that needed life support to survive.

Adding to Ahura's, when they put him into that coma Black Bolt ordered it that no one is allowed to even mention his name, basically make him Unspoken something used on what they consider their greatest criminals.

[Lukmendes]

He also quipped. Can't forget about the patented Tony Stark quips .

More like patented MCU quips, everyone and their mother quip in that shit, got old really fast lol.

[Swamp Thing 2099]

Ross only has one kid being Betty and outside being strict, he was pretty good to her which makes a good dad. Yeah, he's an asshole to other characters but tough shit for them.

I mean, it's worth noting that he pursued his daughter's partner for years, sometimes extra-legally and always despite her protestations, which, uh, is creepy. It's like if Javert was going after Valjean not because he broke parole, but because he married his kid. When he failed to best his daughter's partner in combat, he basically got plastic surgery to look like a bootlegged version of him. Super duper weird and creepy.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Karnak gave his son to Mr. Sinister to be experimented on in Secret Warriors. It was an incredibly convoluted scheme which alienated him from everyone once they found out. He got exiled from New Attilan.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I mean, it's worth noting that he pursued his daughter's partner for years, sometimes extra-legally and always despite her protestations, which, uh, is creepy. It's like if Javert was going after Valjean not because he broke parole, but because he married his kid. When he failed to best his daughter's partner in combat, he basically got plastic surgery to look like a bootlegged version of him. Super duper weird and creepy.

Yeah, except Hulk left towns and all kinds of destruction in his wake. Ross' actions were often ill considered, but not exactly disproportionate

[Noek]

Karnak gave his son to Mr. Sinister to be experimented on in Secret Warriors. It was an incredibly convoluted scheme which alienated him from everyone once they found out. He got exiled from New Attilan.

So pretty much all the children of the House of Agon have had their dad's do something they view as horrible.

[Swamp Thing 2099]

Yeah, except Hulk left towns and all kinds of destruction in his wake. Ross' actions were often ill considered, but not exactly disproportionate

Altering your appearance to look like your daughter's ex who you always hated is ALWAYS disproportionate. Plus, in the real world, Ross would have been pulled off Hulk detail the second his superiors found out about the Hulk's true nature as Banner. He's too personally involved, and he knows it. He can't separate his personal life from his work and it becomes one endless negative feedback loop. Additionally, most of Banner's destruction was caused by Ross's aggression and not heeding the Hulk's constant refrain of wanting to be left alone. Military units antagonizing The Other is historically a bad move.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Altering your appearance to look like your daughter's ex who you always hated is ALWAYS disproportionate. Plus, in the real world, Ross would have been pulled off Hulk detail the second his superiors found out about the Hulk's true nature as Banner. He's too personally involved, and he knows it. He can't separate his personal life from his work and it becomes one endless negative feedback loop. Additionally, most of Banner's destruction was caused by Ross's aggression and not heeding the Hulk's constant refrain of wanting to be left alone. Military units antagonizing The Other is historically a bad move.

Banner and the Hulk aren't guilt free in this. Do you know a routine Hulk gets into with super-heroes calmly telling him to cool off and move to an area where he won't scare people? Hitting the until they won't get up. With blows that would kill normal people with each swing. Hulk hasn't got the slightest concern about your car or your house if he wants to destroy it when he goes down the street and he'll do even if he's not being chased by the military. Many of his personalities also want to conquer humanity, like the original, Green Scar, Maestro, and the current Hulk.

No, quite a large portion of the destruction Hulk's caused is not solely because of Ross or the military. In PAD's run the Savage Hulk threatened an entire town to leave or he'll hurt them, they left. They did nothing to him to earn that response. What's interesting about the Hulk is that the situations he's in are in the grey, rather than black and white - the military, even without Ross or Talbot, would be more than right to see him as a threat to anyone around him. They just made Ross into a super-villain so Hulk isn't constantly the bad guy. With exceptions like Professor Green.

[Agent Z]

Banner and the Hulk aren't guilt free in this. Do you know a routine Hulk gets into with super-heroes calmly telling him to cool off and move to an area where he won't scare people? Hitting the until they won't get up. With blows that would kill normal people with each swing. Hulk hasn't got the slightest concern about your car or your house if he wants to destroy it when he goes down the street and he'll do even if he's not being chased by the military. Many of his personalities also want to conquer humanity, like the original, Green Scar, Maestro, and the current Hulk.

No, quite a large portion of the destruction Hulk's caused is not solely because of Ross or the military. In PAD's run the Savage Hulk threatened an entire town to leave or he'll hurt them, they left. They did nothing to him to earn that response. What's interesting about the Hulk is that the situations he's in are in the grey, rather than black and white - the military, even without Ross or Talbot, would be more than right to see him as a threat to anyone around him. They just made Ross into a super-villain so Hulk isn't constantly the bad guy. With exceptions like Professor Green.

A pretty good example of how ridiculous the attempts to make Hulk look sympathetic can get is Giant-Size Hulk #1.

The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner hulks out in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst.

When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was in the car when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

[Holt]

Good ole' Chuck Xavier.

[Agent Z]

Good ole' Chuck Xavier.

How is he a bad father?

[Triniking1234]

I mean, it's worth noting that he pursued his daughter's partner for years, sometimes extra-legally and always despite her protestations, which, uh, is creepy. It's like if Javert was going after Valjean not because he broke parole, but because he married his kid. When he failed to best his daughter's partner in combat, he basically got plastic surgery to look like a bootlegged version of him. Super duper weird and creepy.

There's a lot of stuff to explain between Bruce and General Ross.

Ross didn't want Bruce for his daughter because he thought Bruce was weak and he was right.

The Hulk was created under his watch so he probably takes it personally. You also have to take into account that most of the times he actually got rid of the Hulk, even when he managed to spare Bruce, he always had to back-pedal and bring Hulk back which leads to more misfortune afterwards.

Also Bruce created the machine which created the Abomination who later killed Betty so there's that too.