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    Quote Originally Posted by Korath View Post
    There comes a point when something which happened thousands of years ago stop beings a valid reason to foster a sexist and isolationist society in my eyes. That's as simple as that. And, again, if writers truly insist to make the Amazons sexists, then at the very least they shouldn't be warriors ! Make them entirely peaceful and have Diana learning how to fight in "Man's World" precisely because it's so corrupt that she can't help by simply being herself, enlightened and emphatic. With her powers and abilities, no matter their origin, she wouldn't need to be an expert fighter when she arrives to be affective, and considering that the Amazons could have taught her a real ability to focus on things to achieve them, she could learn fighting styles really fast (and, frankly, DC isn't realy great at depicting that she is more than a flying brick nowadays, anyway...).

    But if peoples insists for the Amazons to be an isolationnist society based on segregation which see battle prowesses as great. I'm sorry but I don't want that kind of society being put in a good light. And that said members of said society are all women who have suffered abuses before isn't an excuse to present that kind of society in a good light. That's why Diana's mythos is fundamentaly flawed and Marston work, while certainly enlightened in his time, has become extremely problematic in today's world. At least for me, it does.
    But like Gaius said, they were the very women who were enslaved and raped before, and you don't have a realistic basis to compare what the psychology of an immortal, ageless woman would be like. They could remember it like it was yesterday. Nobody has the right to tell them (or any rape victim) to essentially "get over it," least of all men who have literally the entire rest of the world to live in while the Amazons have one corner to themselves where they aren't harming anybody while they are left alone. This also ignores the fact that stories have been published where they've decided to communicate with the outside world despite their hesitation and facing various challenges as a result of that. This is what makes them nuanced characters instead of one note, flat monsters the New 52 made them. See also Philippus angrily saying they should throw Steve back into the see considering the last time she saw a man and the stressful manner in which he crashed, and then cooling down and apologizing to him later. This is more layered and interesting than a culture that has a tendency to toss male babies off cliffs or dish out cliché threats of castration to even Hermes.

    Even real life warrior based cultures have more nuance than that depiction. And there is no logic in saying they can't be warriors and enlightened in other areas. Wise warriors are common in sci-fi/fantasy fiction (Yoda being the obvious example), plus they have had thousands of years to explore different fields of study, there is no justifiable reason to nerf them. Any reasoning here is on very shaky ground.
    Last edited by SiegePerilous02; 11-21-2020 at 03:33 PM.

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