Fantastic Four #26 Franklin *spoilers*

[ericng]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

If the writer didn't want Franklin to have any connection with Krakoa, he could have just said the main reason is that his parents and relatives are all humans; he chose to live with them and not on Krakoa.

One can have multiple citizenships on Earth so why not multiple citizenships on both Krakoa and USA?

That would be more acceptable than retconning him as a non-mutant.

I hope that Marvel revert Franklin, Wanda, Quicksilver status back as mutants as they were originally meant to be.

[Zelena]

In the end, it was all just a phase. Franklin didn't want to be "like the other kids".

Does this mean Franklin is the Rachel Dolezal of the mutant world?

Franklin has never been like the other kids. He was born in a family of super-beings.
Of course, he would follow anyone who will tell him “I’m going to fix you.”

But there is also this desire of teenagers of emancipation, of building a life of his own, far from his family. On Krakoa, there are also “super-beings” and they were welcoming at first.

[Zelena]

Because they are stupid and get triggered at the drop of a hat. Like for example that crazy lady who got angry because Mandalorian armor is tailored made to to conform to a woman's body and apparently that's sexist. I see this as something like that, i'm no fan of Slott but it is just plain stupid to get angry over a perceived sleight but that is the world we live in now i guess.

I’m not angry, I’m not bothered, I’m irritated. It’s possible to write interesting stories without any retcons. It’s another one. It’s lazy. It goes against the building previous authors have done.

[GenericUsername]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

If the writer didn't want Franklin to have any connection with Krakoa, he could have just said the main reason is that his parents and relatives are all humans; he chose to live with them and not on Krakoa.

One can have multiple citizenships on Earth so why not multiple citizenships on both Krakoa and USA?

That would be more acceptable than retconning him as a non-mutant.

I hope that Marvel revert Franklin, Wanda, Quicksilver status back as mutants as they were originally meant to be.

Wanda doesn't need it.

[Relugus]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

If the writer didn't want Franklin to have any connection with Krakoa, he could have just said the main reason is that his parents and relatives are all humans; he chose to live with them and not on Krakoa.

One can have multiple citizenships on Earth so why not multiple citizenships on both Krakoa and USA?

That would be more acceptable than retconning him as a non-mutant.

I hope that Marvel revert Franklin, Wanda, Quicksilver status back as mutants as they were originally meant to be.

My view is that Xavier is manipulating Franklin, using reverse psychology to make him want to be a mutant and thus shift his bias from his family to Krakoa. Rejection is a powerful engine of desire. It goes without saying that Xavier has form here.

There is also, perhaps, a desire on the part of Hickman, to take Franklin off of the chess board to avoid the "Why Doesn't Franklin Solve It All" problem.

The problem with Franklin is that he is so OP that he becomes a nothingburger, and can turn stories into nothingburgers, because he can do anything. Nevertheless he has one key advantage; writers are actually interested in him and will do stuff with him. He has also interacted with other characters.

The same cannot be said of Wanda and Pietro. The former of whom is snubbed by writers and editors even while being a prominent character in the MCU. The latter is snubbed even more.

Wanda and Pietro would have to actually appear in comics to reverse the retcon. After the reversal of the retcon, they would likely simply dissappear again for months. Plus ca change.

No one at Marvel wants to write them, and I sadly suspect most writers at Marvel know little about them, so will write them poorly.

I think Jonathan Hickman's plan is to reverse the retcon and then have Wanda mess something or other up and then have minimal dialogue (because none of the writers except Zub and Thompson know how to write her) and then have her die (as Hickman appeared to not very subtly hint at the end of X-Men Empyre #4) to create stories for other characters. Thus, Wanda will die as she lived, used as a lazy plot device who exists only to provide stories for other characters.

[Triniking1234]

Forget Franklin (who will probably end up being a mutant again by the end of the plot), what is up with Artie and Leech? This issue makes it sound like they have been lost in space since before Krakoa but a data page in Cable said they were on Krakoa. While I don't take anything those pages say as truth anyway, it seems like someone didn't bother to check where they were or weren't. Also, can Artie talk now? And is he still not a mutant?

Duggan mentioned Artie and Leech but Outlawed only showed the two younger Power Pack kids. So Slott had to clean up.

Artie is the one that projects images, right? I can't remember if he can talk. He was still mute under Hickman and Fraction.

[Triniking1234]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

If the writer didn't want Franklin to have any connection with Krakoa, he could have just said the main reason is that his parents and relatives are all humans; he chose to live with them and not on Krakoa.

One can have multiple citizenships on Earth so why not multiple citizenships on both Krakoa and USA?

That would be more acceptable than retconning him as a non-mutant.

I hope that Marvel revert Franklin, Wanda, Quicksilver status back as mutants as they were originally meant to be.

Claremont and Bryne ignored like a decade of FF just to add Franklin in a mutant concentration camp.

Also, only non-precognitive mutants can have Krakoan citizenship. Mummy Moira said so.

[Journey]

Wanda doesn't need it.

Other than the show since she lost it she's had nothing consistent going on she kinda does need it.

[cranger]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

Nothing changes. Simplest explanation is that in that timeline he is never discovered to have turned himself into a mutant. The real explanation is that story does not actually care that Franklin is a mutant, or that the random blonde man is actually Franklin for that matter. Everything still happens.

[Devaishwarya]

Claremont and Bryne ignored like a decade of FF just to add Franklin in a mutant concentration camp.

Also, only non-precognitive mutants can have Krakoan citizenship. Mummy Moira said so.

Yeah.

Twitter is losing its shyt (what else is new?) over a retcon of a decade old retcon of a character that has had absolutely no impact on the mutant/X-Men mythos (guest appearing in a few one-off storylines does not count) since forever.
If HiX-man hadn't mentioned him "in passing" no one would have even remembered or cared that he exists outside of the F4 most of those readers/twitts wailing and gnashing teeth still don't care.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Claremont and Bryne ignored like a decade of FF just to add Franklin in a mutant concentration camp.

This kind of bad faith reasoning is just that -- bad faith. First of all, when Franklin Richards was born in Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's run, he wasn't established as having any powers at all, cosmic or otherwise. He was just a baby.
https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-f...utant-history/

Later writers hinted or implied that he was some all-powerful baby. So when Claremont-Byrne said Franklin was a mutant they weren't "ignoring like a decade of FF" because it was never established that Franklin wasn't a mutant.

More important than that, not once has anyone for the forty years or so between then and now tried to walk that back and make Franklin un-mutant again. A lot of important story real-estate and great stories featured and centered on Franklin being a mutant.

So it's absolutely right and justified to complain about Slott's lame attempt at undoing (which itself is not gonna last obviously).

Retcons are referendums.

-- If a story is going in a bad way or what fans don't like, Morrison's Planet X, then the retcon that follows however lame and obvious and poorly written wll be accepted over the innovation. Jack Kirby and Stan Lee deleted some 20 years of continuity when they said that the original Captain America went into ice at the end of World War II and the Captain America people had been reading in publication in the late-40s and early 50s was some impostor, that allowed them to delete the commie-smasher Cap from the history books.

-- If a retcon attempts to remove a popular and widely embraced innovation, then that's not going to be a good retcon acceptable to many. There are far more X-Men fans and X-Men readers than Fantastic Four ones, and that reality is inescapable, permanent, and unalterable. Any writer who tries to defy that for no good reason will rightuflly invite controversy and rebuke.

[GenericUsername]

Other than the show since she lost it she's had nothing consistent going on she kinda does need it.

I don't see why. Her having nothing has to do with her being out of the books. And she was out of the books for longer when she was a mutant and Mags' kid.

It wasn't some magic bullet. Her more fleshed out stories are from her time in Avengers. Her history from Nights of Wundagore. Her most famous mini from her marriage with Vision.

The mutant thing really did nothing for her but thrust her out of comics for years. Because her being made a pariah after HoM was exactly why editor Jeanine Schaeffer said she hated her.

[chief12d]

Wanda doesn't need it.

Agreed.

Let the X-books play with their own toys in their own toy box. Franklin’s mutanhood has largely been irrelevant outside a handful of stories and the number of people reading FF just to see his mutant identity explored were wasting money all those years up until very recently. Slott told his crap story and Hickman will rewrite a few things. Hopefully Marvel sticks to their guns with Wanda as a non-mutant too, as the references to her in DOX are worrying and playing into the worst aspects of her character.

[danielsan52]

This retcon essentially just wiped out Chris Claremont legendary Days of Future Past storyline.

If the writer didn't want Franklin to have any connection with Krakoa, he could have just said the main reason is that his parents and relatives are all humans; he chose to live with them and not on Krakoa.

One can have multiple citizenships on Earth so why not multiple citizenships on both Krakoa and USA?

That would be more acceptable than retconning him as a non-mutant.

I hope that Marvel revert Franklin, Wanda, Quicksilver status back as mutants as they were originally meant to be.

Agreed! Especially Wanda and Pietro. Wanda should have been the third X-Woman.

As for Franks, That just happened five minutes ago. I don't consider that a retcon yet.

[Zelena]

Wanda doesn't need it.

Characters in comics go through a lot of things that they don’t really need. It’s the same with people in real life. That happens…