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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightmare10880 View Post
    I was a huge Nightwatch fan and have the entire run of his solo series, he ditched the Spawn ripoff look in the first issue of his series. I hated it when they killed him off.
    I believe one of the She-Hulk series in the last 10 years brought Nightwatch back to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    As i said, she has a type. Calypso died?, s#$% i seriously didn't knew, i need to reread some things.
    Checking out wiki here, she actually died more than once lol, in Spider-Man#5 and Daredevil#311, both times there was a "a building fell on her so she may or may not have died" situation, but then she got killed for real in Web of Spider-Man#109:

    https://i.imgur.com/3KmWnfJ.png

    Then used magic to come back in Spider-Man Annual:

    https://i.imgur.com/xQgnhk3.png

    After that, she returned in Spectacular, and thought that Alyosha was Kraven:

    https://i.imgur.com/Puwu5eS.png

    https://i.imgur.com/weZz06D.png

    (Spectacular#249)

    Gotta keep the context in mind though, 'cause Alyosha was tricking people into thinking he was Kraven, so she wasn't the only one:

    https://i.imgur.com/2QP88r5.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dCaO8j3.png

    (Spectacular#244)

    And she was pissed when she found out she was tricked:

    https://i.imgur.com/aVpqCEy.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dSJ4x18.png

    https://i.imgur.com/vCfXzY2.png

    (Spectacular#250)

    So yeah, Alyosha raped her by deception, so she didn't willingly go after him.

    You're still right about her having a type though, 'cause even after that, she says she'd be okay with being his partner, because Alyosha is Kraven's son:

    https://i.imgur.com/Xkei2Qy.png

    (Spectacular#252)

    So yeah, despite Alyosha doing rape by deception, she talks like the only really bad thing he did was to not be trying to kill Spidey, that can even imply she'd want to be with him even after what he did to her, she's fucked in the head.

    After that, she tried to make them both kill each other with some drum magic shit in #252 and #253:

    https://i.imgur.com/xCqVuDE.jpg

    And after that was solved, it seemed like they'd leave and make peace in #253:

    https://i.imgur.com/Dnx6BIO.png

    https://i.imgur.com/JoNhYg2.png

    Then Alyosha just fucking murders her:

    https://i.imgur.com/YJ0ykmS.png

    https://i.imgur.com/L80WLH3.png

    Which honestly came outta nowhere, even if you can see why he did it, since she tried to get him killed lol.

    So yeah, that's about her story with Alyosha, and her death.

    Can also mention her pre-Last Hunt appearances, but that doesn't add much to her, Kraven loved her, in ASM#209 she gaslight Kraven so he'd fight Spidey, then in Spectacular#65 she tried to play dirty when Kraven fought Spidey, that made him get pissed with her... then after Kraven't death, she was possessing people in Spider-Man and Daredevil (Which is how she got killed the first time, she tried to possess Lizard a second time and he killed her), then this whole thing with Alyosha.

    She also showed up in Daredevil Annual#9, but I got bored of it, looked like just another story where she tries to use zombies, see more ways to control them.

    Still, checking out this really shows that Kraven had a type, because Calypso and Sasha are batshit crazy, and it looks like Sasha is the saner one, which tells you somethin'.

    Thank you, i appreciate your "good" wishes, i'm glad to see that our friendship has gotten to the point of mutual torture?!
    I get the feeling we'll have more moments like this, with "beautiful" reminders of how bad super-heroes can get .

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I'd say all his children, it's not like Ana's done much other than be in an Inhumans book.

    Although Marvel Action Spider-Man used them as his henchmen.
    And that was 4 years ago, we don't even know what her powers are, since there was just some, green, stuff, around her, pretty much saying nothing what her powers are, just that she can summon green stuff.

    She did have this moment in Spencer's ASM though:

    https://i.imgur.com/gzqXz76.jpg

    (ASM#16)

    Which, hey, her renouncing her family was just to make sure there's no one to compete with the Kraven clone, but it can be used to maybe do something interesting with her, assuming editors even know of this moment, and also assuming she ever leaves limbo lol.
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    Speaking of kids.

    There’s Sandman’s daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Speaking of kids.

    There’s Sandman’s daughter.
    The biological one or the adopted/kidnapped one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Checking out wiki here, she actually died more than once lol, in Spider-Man#5 and Daredevil#311, both times there was a "a building fell on her so she may or may not have died" situation, but then she got killed for real in Web of Spider-Man#109:

    https://i.imgur.com/3KmWnfJ.png

    Then used magic to come back in Spider-Man Annual:

    https://i.imgur.com/xQgnhk3.png

    After that, she returned in Spectacular, and thought that Alyosha was Kraven:

    https://i.imgur.com/Puwu5eS.png

    https://i.imgur.com/weZz06D.png

    (Spectacular#249)

    Gotta keep the context in mind though, 'cause Alyosha was tricking people into thinking he was Kraven, so she wasn't the only one:

    https://i.imgur.com/2QP88r5.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dCaO8j3.png

    (Spectacular#244)

    And she was pissed when she found out she was tricked:

    https://i.imgur.com/aVpqCEy.png

    https://i.imgur.com/dSJ4x18.png

    https://i.imgur.com/vCfXzY2.png

    (Spectacular#250)

    So yeah, Alyosha raped her by deception, so she didn't willingly go after him.

    You're still right about her having a type though, 'cause even after that, she says she'd be okay with being his partner, because Alyosha is Kraven's son:

    https://i.imgur.com/Xkei2Qy.png

    (Spectacular#252)

    So yeah, despite Alyosha doing rape by deception, she talks like the only really bad thing he did was to not be trying to kill Spidey, that can even imply she'd want to be with him even after what he did to her, she's fucked in the head.

    After that, she tried to make them both kill each other with some drum magic shit in #252 and #253:

    https://i.imgur.com/xCqVuDE.jpg

    And after that was solved, it seemed like they'd leave and make peace in #253:

    https://i.imgur.com/Dnx6BIO.png

    https://i.imgur.com/JoNhYg2.png

    Then Alyosha just fucking murders her:

    https://i.imgur.com/YJ0ykmS.png

    https://i.imgur.com/L80WLH3.png

    Which honestly came outta nowhere, even if you can see why he did it, since she tried to get him killed lol.

    So yeah, that's about her story with Alyosha, and her death.

    Can also mention her pre-Last Hunt appearances, but that doesn't add much to her, Kraven loved her, in ASM#209 she gaslight Kraven so he'd fight Spidey, then in Spectacular#65 she tried to play dirty when Kraven fought Spidey, that made him get pissed with her... then after Kraven't death, she was possessing people in Spider-Man and Daredevil (Which is how she got killed the first time, she tried to possess Lizard a second time and he killed her), then this whole thing with Alyosha.

    She also showed up in Daredevil Annual#9, but I got bored of it, looked like just another story where she tries to use zombies, see more ways to control them.

    Still, checking out this really shows that Kraven had a type, because Calypso and Sasha are batshit crazy, and it looks like Sasha is the saner one, which tells you somethin'.



    I get the feeling we'll have more moments like this, with "beautiful" reminders of how bad super-heroes can get .



    And that was 4 years ago, we don't even know what her powers are, since there was just some, green, stuff, around her, pretty much saying nothing what her powers are, just that she can summon green stuff.

    She did have this moment in Spencer's ASM though:

    https://i.imgur.com/gzqXz76.jpg

    (ASM#16)

    Which, hey, her renouncing her family was just to make sure there's no one to compete with the Kraven clone, but it can be used to maybe do something interesting with her, assuming editors even know of this moment, and also assuming she ever leaves limbo lol.
    Damn, i forgot how much of a dirtbag Alyosha was, thanks for refreshing my memory, it should read again the post Clone Saga, considering that i just finished the Ben Reilly era.

    Yeah, we can also expect comic book trivia, our conversations really help me when it come to remember the details lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    The biological one or the adopted/kidnapped one?
    He has a biological daughter...? Outside the movies and cartoons, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    He has a biological daughter...? Outside the movies and cartoons, that is.
    Well, yeah..but to be fair she appears only in an Elseworld story, Spider-Man Reign, is actually one of the few interesting moments from that weird fever dream of a mini.
    "Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    Damn, i forgot how much of a dirtbag Alyosha was, thanks for refreshing my memory, it should read again the post Clone Saga, considering that i just finished the Ben Reilly era.
    Not surprising Alyosha is like that, being made in the 90's doesn't help, he's somehow not worse lol.

    Yeah, we can also expect comic book trivia, our conversations really help me when it come to remember the details lol.
    Yeah I like to search for trivia like that once in a while, can find out some interesting shit, or trainwrecks lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    He has a biological daughter...? Outside the movies and cartoons, that is.
    Closest one is that Keemia girl, and Sandman himself admits she's not his daughter, but they liked each other, which was why he wanted to take care of her.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    Well, yeah..but to be fair she appears only in an Elseworld story, Spider-Man Reign, is actually one of the few interesting moments from that weird fever dream of a mini.
    From what I've seen, that moment where Peter and MJ talk with each other was cool too, think he was imagining her? I dunno... Cool either way, Zdarsky even referenced it in Life Story#6.

    Should read Reign someday, see how hilarious the "My jizz killed MJ" moment is, and if there's any other dumb shit to get a chuckle out of .

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    Damn, i forgot how much of a dirtbag Alyosha was, thanks for refreshing my memory, it should read again the post Clone Saga, considering that i just finished the Ben Reilly era.
    Whenever I think of Alyosha, I think of that horrible period when he was the rich Hollywood big shot "Al Kraven."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Not surprising Alyosha is like that, being made in the 90's doesn't help, he's somehow not worse lol.



    Yeah I like to search for trivia like that once in a while, can find out some interesting shit, or trainwrecks lol.



    Closest one is that Keemia girl, and Sandman himself admits she's not his daughter, but they liked each other, which was why he wanted to take care of her.



    From what I've seen, that moment where Peter and MJ talk with each other was cool too, think he was imagining her? I dunno... Cool either way, Zdarsky even referenced it in Life Story#6.

    Should read Reign someday, see how hilarious the "My jizz killed MJ" moment is, and if there's any other dumb shit to get a chuckle out of .
    It has some nice moments, i like the conversation when MJ tells him why he fell in love with him "i don't love because you can punch a hole througth Flash Thompson skull, i love you because you can but won't" and Venom is kind of interesting (there also a really bizarre reference to the first time that Peter propose back in Wolfman's run, or at least i thougth it was that). But yeah, she is imaginary, the implication being that Peter's guilt repressed some nemories.

    As for the scene, is really serious and dramatic but also really bizarre, mainly because i'm pretty sure that MJ's corpse bites Peter's mouth at some point, also Otto's corpse was involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    Whenever I think of Alyosha, I think of that horrible period when he was the rich Hollywood big shot "Al Kraven."
    The "Get Kraven" mini?, never read that one but everyone tells me that is abysmal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    Whenever I think of Alyosha, I think of that horrible period when he was the rich Hollywood big shot "Al Kraven."
    What makes it sad is that he was still more interesting than OG Kraven.

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    Whenever I think of Aloysha, I think of the fact that they used his design for his dad on the Marvel's Spider-Man cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    Whenever I think of Alyosha, I think of that horrible period when he was the rich Hollywood big shot "Al Kraven."
    Hah, so he went from Kraven the Hunter to Kraven the Predator .

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    It has some nice moments, i like the conversation when MJ tells him why he fell in love with him "i don't love because you can punch a hole througth Flash Thompson skull, i love you because you can but won't" and Venom is kind of interesting (there also a really bizarre reference to the first time that Peter propose back in Wolfman's run, or at least i thougth it was that). But yeah, she is imaginary, the implication being that Peter's guilt repressed some nemories.

    As for the scene, is really serious and dramatic but also really bizarre, mainly because i'm pretty sure that MJ's corpse bites Peter's mouth at some point, also Otto's corpse was involved.
    Dude, don't spoil the fun .

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Whenever I think of Aloysha, I think of the fact that they used his design for his dad on the Marvel's Spider-Man cartoon.
    I remember seeing that Kraven and thinking he looked like a weird fusion of Kraven and Lobo lol.

    Would be funny if they included Alyosha there, and make him look like classic Kraven, just to confuse the fans.

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    This whole debate and listing of "supporting characters falling by the wayside" kind of reveals how complaints on the order that "JMS neglected the supporting cast" or that JMS just focused on Peter/MJ/Aunt May are silly and stupid.

    At heart some supporting characters will always be more equal and more important than others.

    Every era has supporting civilians added and so on, and then removed elsewhere and moved and cycled in and out.

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