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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    No, in the newest issue it was revealed that Franklin has never been a mutant, he was just subconciously faking it
    huh. the retcons continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    To play Devil's advocate, Johnny's powers come from Cosmic Radiation, generated by a solar flare overcharging the Van Allen radiation belts. So Johnny's are technically derived from the sun too.

    Not that it would make much of a difference, mind.
    But in the Avatar verse the moon is a fish. They are simply not on the same wavelengths, and Marvel distinguishes between Torch's psuedo science techno babble derived powers, and Zuko's mystical mumbo jumbo derived powers. There's no reason to think that Torch would act like the Avatar sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Morgan View Post
    But in the Avatar verse the moon is a fish. They are simply not on the same wavelengths, and Marvel distinguishes between Torch's psuedo science techno babble derived powers, and Zuko's mystical mumbo jumbo derived powers. There's no reason to think that Torch would act like the Avatar sun.
    Isn't the fish just a representation of the moon? Not the moon itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    Isn't the fish just a representation of the moon? Not the moon itself.
    the fish was the physical manifestation of the moon spirit and thus the moon itself. that why when zhao killed the fish, the moon died with it and thus, the waterbenders lost their powers.

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    Yeah, I mean, killing the fish essentially plunged the world into darkness as the moon vanished. The moon might also be a moon, but it was also definitely a fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Morgan View Post
    Yeah, I mean, killing the fish essentially plunged the world into darkness as the moon vanished. The moon might also be a moon, but it was also definitely a fish.
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    Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    the fish was the physical manifestation of the moon spirit and thus the moon itself. that why when zhao killed the fish, the moon died with it and thus, the waterbenders lost their powers.
    Haven't seen the anime in awhile but wasn't the moon still there, but just lost its mystical properties? It seems the moon is a regular moon but with magic added on top.

    In any case, the sun has no magic powers to it. It just seems to be a regular sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    Haven't seen the anime in awhile but wasn't the moon still there, but just lost its mystical properties?
    Not really, it seems to literally disappear from the sky when it gets killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    Haven't seen the anime in awhile but wasn't the moon still there, but just lost its mystical properties? It seems the moon is a regular moon but with magic added on top.

    In any case, the sun has no magic powers to it. It just seems to be a regular sun.
    like munchy showed, when zhao killed the fish, he killed the moon since the fish was the physical manifestation of the moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    like munchy showed, when zhao killed the fish, he killed the moon since the fish was the physical manifestation of the moon.
    Sounds good. But in this fight we were talking about the sun, not the moon. Which just seems to be a regular sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    Sounds good. But in this fight we were talking about the sun, not the moon. Which just seems to be a regular sun.
    I don't get what you're arguing here?

    That proximity to Torch will make Zuko stronger because... solar radiation?

    Bending is magic, one could just as easily argue that Zuko should have reduced powers in the arena because he's not under his own sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade1 View Post
    Sounds good. But in this fight we were talking about the sun, not the moon. Which just seems to be a regular sun.
    the point is that benders have spiritual connections to the moon and the sun. if zuko could be powered up by just being near johnny because he's like a sun, then almost any source of fire would power him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    the point is that benders have spiritual connections to the moon and the sun. if zuko could be powered up by just being near johnny because he's like a sun, then almost any source of fire would power him up.
    Ok, makes sense.

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