Krakoa v Marvel Earth

[RachelGrey]

I know Rachel Summers kicked Thor's ass last time they fought each other! Thor did get a power up recently, but I also think Rachel is holding back and if pushed she could end up being pretty deadly!

[jwatson]

Haha, yes. No matter how difficult the boss fight, the player has the superpower of infinite retries.

Moira wrote the 616.

She going to be like. "we will get thor during that unworthy period, if we position she hulk here we can have thanos, and then..."

[The tall man]

One could say mutants because no mattter what happens if they hide moira she can reset reality, share the information, and mutants can preemptively destroy any and all threats. I guess it just depends on how far people are willing to go.

Isn't Moira on her last life? Also she doesn't know everything only the broadest of strokes so she isn't the ace in the hole as she appears to be.

[gonnagiveittoya]

Threads like this is why I dread the possibility (imminent?) of a stupid World War X type event.

Particular the positioning of Krakoa and "Marvel Earth" as separate things.

[Journey]

I mean their savior Moira confirmed they always lose and with Charles & Erik's cocky asses at the helm their bound to take a huge L cause those 2 always fail aswell

[Milici]

With high level magic users and cosmic powered beings like the Eternals and various heroic gods and Inhumans and various geniuses able to whip up anti-telepathy tech and mutant power neutralizers... Krakoa loses but not before both sides reduce the Earth to a cinder. Or The Pretender threatens to say those 3 little words again.

The X-Men has Prodigy/Forge, The Sidri, The Brood, The Shiar, Arakko, Avalon, Limbo possibly Mercator and a bunch of Omega Level mutants.

[nx01a]

The X-Men has Prodigy/Forge, The Sidri, The Brood, The Shiar, Arakko, Avalon, Limbo possibly Mercator and a bunch of Omega Level mutants.

If we're bringing in other assets... The humans have the Microverse, the Negative Zone, the Kree/Skrull Alliance, random advanced aliens and their technologies, and various cosmic beings including the Silver Surfer and frickin' Galactus. The planet is not surviving this conflict, and neither are mutants.

[ARkadelphia]

Yogaflame is right the question has been answered, in an all at war between human and mutant humans win.

Only in a sample set <10

[Metal Sphere]

As already stated by others before: Whoever the writers decide will win. Alternately, if we go by what we already know the humans on Earth ultimately win against mutants. But the conflict here is Krakoa versus Marvel Earth. That means not just humans, but pretty much anyone allied with them or who doesn't want to be conquered by mutants. There's way Krakoa would win but it would involve outright genocide so severe it'd probably lead to the greater MU to intervene and eliminate them. Xavier could cause every non-Krakoan to go brain dead, or make them permanently pro-mutant. Selene would love a world where any human she approached would just lay down to get drained to death when asked. Or Storm could create hurricanes and tornadoes so strong she chucks humans into the stratosphere; oops all dead. The Earth sure as hell wouldn't survive a conflict like that.

You know what? This sounds precisely like what a villain would do to indirectly destroy the planet.

[ARkadelphia]

Haha, yes. No matter how difficult the boss fight, the player has the superpower of infinite retries.

Except she may not

[Grunty]

Except she may not

Not to forget that her claimed power is more or less unproven because we only have her word and memories for them working like that and both are notoriously unreliable especialy in the world of super hero comics.

For all we know she might simply be a pre-cognitive and didn't realise it because her powers gave her 9 visions of her life in succession while she was still in her mother's womb, before they fizzled out.

So she dies, eveyones still there and having to deal with the fallout, because it was all the plan of a pre-cog who could only see 9 visions within visions without realising it, believing that she reboots the freaking universe.

[Nobodyworthnoting]

To be honest, it's not even a fair contest.

With the power of Omega Mutants and the rest of the Krakoan fighting force, they would wipe the floor with the rest of the 616 Earth heroes.

Magneto, Jean Grey, Quire, Vulcan, Wolverine, Cyclops, Apocalypse, Storm, and Kitty alone could probably take on all comers.

The only challenge they would have is if they got the Earth based Cosmic heroes like Captain Marvel, Asgardian allies like Thor, and possibly sorcerers like Strange to bring the big guns.

But even then I think they are really underpowered.

Not only do Mutants have an elite fighting force, but they have raw untapped power in the Krakoan population and numbers. Think about if the entire population of Krakoa with all of the various heroes that can teleport, cast spells, grow large or small, multiply, control minds, control the weather, control the elements, channel cosmic power and all of the rest.

No contest, the win goes to Krakoa.

This is hard cap. FF without a doubt would call norrin for help as they called him to help the x-men stop "God" cable. this would be a stomp on the marvel earth side

[Nobodyworthnoting]

Couple hundred thousand. Vs 7.5+ billion humans, aliens, gods, and monsters strapped with tech and magic. For every Storm and Magneto there are ten thousand Beaks or Globs. If the Omegas don't wrap it up quickly, it's going to get messy for the mutants.

most omegas get stomped by strange. only legion and a stable vulcan could maybe hang with strange.

[Nobodyworthnoting]

I know Rachel Summers kicked Thor's ass last time they fought each other! Thor did get a power up recently, but I also think Rachel is holding back and if pushed she could end up being pretty deadly!

meh, base rachel is pretty fodder compared to most heroes out there.

[Huntsman Spider]

Frankly, all-out war with the rest of Marvel Earth is a suicidal, self-destructive notion and even the Krakoans know that. That's why they've built themselves up into a nation and are exploiting, if not subverting, realpolitik --- the way nations maintain and preserve their own interests on the global stage --- to their long-term advantage. A war between Krakoa and the rest of Marvel Earth will only be a case of mutually assured destruction, with whoever's left in the end being stuck on a completely devastated planet.