After the Dawn, comes "Reign of X"

[allthingzamasing]

Sinister doing things that benefit him sounds like something he would do, ie, making mutants dominant. And hell most have to have his genes in them due to their resurrections, right? What's to stop him from activating a thing where they all end up controlled by him?

Also are these drugs addictiveness up there or are they just like antibiotics?

I’m not sure, though I would lean toward the addictuveness side because of the people who worship mutant and try to get high in the Krakoan medicine or whatever. but technically anything can be addictive, especially medicine/drugs.

[Devaishwarya]

They're not addictive drugs. At least nothing shown/written so far suggests they are. Can they be modified to be addictive? Sure, like any drug, but that would be solely on the drug cartels who would do such a thing for personal profit...not by Krakoa or Krakoans.

Actually, the fact that they're 100% organic would suggest that they aren't.

Those people "worshipping" mutants were just the lunatic fringe acting up .

[Grunty]

They're not addictive drugs. At least nothing shown/written so far suggests they are. Can they be modified to be addictive? Sure, like any drug, but that would be solely on the drug cartels who would do such a thing for personal profit...not by Krakoa or Krakoans.

Actually, the fact that they're 100% organic would suggest that they aren't.

Why would a drug being 100% organic make it unlikely to be addictive? Unless i misunderstand that part. Pretty sure opium is 100% organic too and it's addictive nature is well known. There are also plants which have addictive properties as drug without even requiring to be processed in any way.

However i agree that the Krakoan drugs have so far shown no sign of being addictive and while we don't know what Xavier's, Magneto's and Moira's great masterplan for mutantkind is, it would seem very foolish of them to use these drugs in a negative way for it.

After all they are their leverage to make economic, military or political attacks against Krakoa and it's inhabitants an undesirable option for the leaders of the various powerfull nations or powerblocks on earth, because of their population's desire for these products, but only if Krakoa delivers exactly what is promised and without underhand tactics. Because the trust and the good image they now build up among the various people in these countries takes time to form, is still fresh and needs perhaps years to properly cement itself.

If Xavier's plan involves a long peacefull game, they could very well just keep going with follow up product (not only medical drugs but also tech) of the same quality and keep the rest of humanity at peace, until the majority of humanity has turned into mutants by natural means.

But given that the marvel universe can never achieve this state nor is this current direction likely to last that long, there is a good chance that Xavier and Magneto have something very dangerous planned to speed up the process which will ultimately doom the current status quo via implosion (and perhaps rebellion by mutants).

But even in this likely scenario it would be too cheap of a narrative tool to actualy have the drugs be addictive or have some negative or mutating side effect, especialy after Magneto boasted how dumb normal humans are for thinking there is some hidden agenda behind the drugs.

I think the metaphorical "other shoe" he mentioned is going to drop somewhere else.

Though that doesn't mean someone like Shaw or Sinister might not try to something stupid with the drugs and throw the masterplan into disarray earlier.

[Hulkout42]

the bad guy from the latest hellions issue, sinister's competitor....... can't remember his name now

Oh yeah, guess he wants that DNA back.

[Rev9]

Why would Darwin as a mutant have more in common with the CotV than other mutants regardless of hiw much he eveolved? That wouldn't make sense.

Well in terms of technologically jumpstarted evolution , he will have evolved at much more accelerated rate ,which by virtue of his adaptability could make his own genome drift far off from the basic mutant one

The other issue is it seems the vault accelerates time but how subjects feel while inside is anyone's guess.If the time is accelerated but contemporaneous let's say you spent 24 hours in the vault commensurate to 24 hours outside it, so you feel you've spent there a day yet you come out with a long beard that can only take you a year to grow then fine you'll be changed but won't be really affected.However let's presume time is dilated there ,as in you still spend 24 hours in there, but for you time does not seem to move at earth speed.You literally feel you have spent there a year of your life. The second instance is more complicated because whoever you are with in there becomes your only comrade or companion.So if they did indeed feel like they've been in the Vault for like 2000 years yet a few months have passed outside of it you see the magnitude of the reality. If that is true then Darwin will have more in common with the Children of the vault in terms of interaction than he did with Krakoa, the children with Laura and Synch become the only world he remembers and knows ,Krakoa is but a faint memory at that point..makes sense?

[BroHomo]

Well in terms of technologically jumpstarted evolution , he will have evolved at much more accelerated rate ,which by virtue of his adaptability could make his own genome drift far off from the basic mutant one

The other issue is it seems the vault accelerates time but how subjects feel while inside is anyone's guess.If the time is accelerated but contemporaneous let's say you spent 24 hours in the vault commensurate to 24 hours outside it, so you feel you've spent there a day yet you come out with a long beard that can only take you a year to grow then fine you'll be changed but won't be really affected.However let's presume time is dilated there ,as in you still spend 24 hours in there, but for you time does not seem to move at earth speed.You literally feel you have spent there a year of your life. The second instance is more complicated because whoever you are with in there becomes your only comrade or companion.So if they did indeed feel like they've been in the Vault for like 2000 years yet a few months have passed outside of it you see the magnitude of the reality. If that is true then Darwin will have more in common with the Children of the vault in terms of interaction than he did with Krakoa, the children with Laura and Synch become the only world he remembers and knows ,Krakoa is but a faint memory at that point..makes sense?

Darwin doesn't change his Genes tho

[kalai]

So can the mutants live forever now?
Not in the sense of Resurrection Protocol, but immortality?
Those drugs they sell can prolong lifespan, and those are like nerfed versions.
The Krakoa seed can potentially just make everyone immortal right?

Plus Apocalypse and the family pretty much live forever, it's not clear if Genesis and the First Horsemen are Externals.
So from the looks of it, the mutants should be able to live forever right?

At least Moira can live forever as long as Wolverine gives her blood, according to Powers of X.

[Rev9]

Darwin doesn't change his Genes tho

Well we are getting into 'fictional science' here,sure if he directs his evolution consciously in reaction to stimuli I'd accept that ,problem is in the vault, the vault induces the stimuli or directs the evolution from outside the subject and does so technologically ,so we cannot be sure Darwin will be in control of his own physiology.From the little I know of CoV they drifted from human genome because they were isolated for so long and evolved in their own technologically driven environment, it stands to reason Darwin predesposed to evolve reactively could do the same, just because mutants have never been in the vault till this point doesn't mean the science can't apply.Sure being mutants the writers can find plot armour ,but if they are consistent with their own rules ,ceteris paribus ..my assumption is plausible

[Rev9]

Why would a drug being 100% organic make it unlikely to be addictive? Unless i misunderstand that part. Pretty sure opium is 100% organic too and it's addictive nature is well known. There are also plants which have addictive properties as drug without even requiring to be processed in any way.

However i agree that the Krakoan drugs have so far shown no sign of being addictive and while we don't know what Xavier's, Magneto's and Moira's great masterplan for mutantkind is, it would seem very foolish of them to use these drugs in a negative way for it.

After all they are their leverage to make economic, military or political attacks against Krakoa and it's inhabitants an undesirable option for the leaders of the various powerfull nations or powerblocks on earth, because of their population's desire for these products, but only if Krakoa delivers exactly what is promised and without underhand tactics. Because the trust and the good image they now build up among the various people in these countries takes time to form, is still fresh and needs perhaps years to properly cement itself.

If Xavier's plan involves a long peacefull game, they could very well just keep going with follow up product (not only medical drugs but also tech) of the same quality and keep the rest of humanity at peace, until the majority of humanity has turned into mutants by natural means.

But given that the marvel universe can never achieve this state nor is this current direction likely to last that long, there is a good chance that Xavier and Magneto have something very dangerous planned to speed up the process which will ultimately doom the current status quo via implosion (and perhaps rebellion by mutants).

But even in this likely scenario it would be too cheap of a narrative tool to actualy have the drugs be addictive or have some negative or mutating side effect, especialy after Magneto boasted how dumb normal humans are for thinking there is some hidden agenda behind the drugs.

I think the metaphorical "other shoe" he mentioned is going to drop somewhere else.

Though that doesn't mean someone like Shaw or Sinister might not try to something stupid with the drugs and throw the masterplan into disarray earlier.

Well while Moira,X and Magnus may play it straight, my doubts come when they use a geneticist like Sinister...that is just tailor made for him screwing over all their overtures.I'm sure Sinister has laced them with whatever 'addiction' he wants,after all we know he started Chimeras who knows what he did to get there.Sinister being invaluable to Krakoa should give anyone cause for concern about their miracle drugs

[BroHomo]

Well while Moira,X and Magnus may play it straight, my doubts come when they use a geneticist like Sinister...that is just tailor made for him screwing over all their overtures.I'm sure Sinister has laced them with whatever 'addiction' he wants,after all we know he started Chimeras who knows what he did to get there.Sinister being invaluable to Krakoa should give anyone cause for concern about their miracle drugs

Why? Sinisters never even been seen with the drugs or have any connection to the manufacturing, distribution, etc.

[Devaishwarya]

So can the mutants live forever now?
Not in the sense of Resurrection Protocol, but immortality?
Those drugs they sell can prolong lifespan, and those are like nerfed versions.
The Krakoa seed can potentially just make everyone immortal right?

Plus Apocalypse and the family pretty much live forever, it's not clear if Genesis and the First Horsemen are Externals.
So from the looks of it, the mutants should be able to live forever right?

At least Moira can live forever as long as Wolverine gives her blood, according to Powers of X.

Short answer: Maybe.

[Devaishwarya]

Why? Sinisters never even been seen with the drugs or have any connection to the manufacturing, distribution, etc.

SMH
The lengths some readers go to rewrite the narrative in their heads despite never reading anything remotely close on the page to what they imagine to be "happening behind the scenes".
It's entertaining (up to a point)...I'll give them that.

[Rev9]

Why? Sinisters never even been seen with the drugs or have any connection to the manufacturing, distribution, etc.

Short answer is just like Krakoa doesn't know Sinister has Apoth or his clones, and yet rely on his genetics to run the protocols ,is the same way I can't trust their drugs.If Xavier knows Sinister and still trusts him with resurrections, why would he not trust him with the pharmacy for humanity? (moreover he believes he has Sinister on a leash) I don't know what form the drugs take are they full leaves and flower petals or are they pills and potions?.. Again logical deduction Krakoa being sentient and an ancient mutant land at that ,it is highly doubtful it grows flora meant exclusively for non mutants.More likely it was asked by Cypher to do so specifically or individual mutants like Beast or Sinister are adding pharmacological value to a raw product that in its raw form has no use for humanity.if it is the latter -Sinister more than likely is involved, since Elixir seems to be pre occupied with resurrections..Plus the way Sinister executed Greycrow with a button in Hellions made me wonder if he has every Krakoan tagged at cellular level with an 'expiry trigger' if he so requires. Sinister is sinister like that- pun intended

[Triniking1234]

The books never indicated that Essex created the resurrection method. It was most likely Moira since she was keeping track of the mutants she needed for her plan. For the drugs, they're pills are processed from different greeneries and are processed into pills. They never showed if the mutants take them.

[Rev9]

The books never indicated that Essex created the resurrection method. It was most likely Moira since she was keeping track of the mutants she needed for her plan. For the drugs, they're pills are processed from different greeneries and are processed into pills. They never showed if the mutants take them.

If they are pills then definitely Beast or Sinister oversee the value addition, that wouldn't fill me with confidence, an oblivious person made well ok,but if they knew the rep of the pharmacists in advance they'd resort to different treatment