Doctor Doom #9 "The Windmills of My Mind" REVIEW and SPOILERS

[Iron Maiden]

When last we left "our hero", Doom had regained the throne and violently annexed neighboring Symkaria. Now we finally get back to the impending disaster of the black hole that resulted from the destructive sabotage of the Antlion project on the Moon. Sometimes one almost forget that this is still out there hanging around in the void like the mythical Sword of Damocles. This black hole seems to have been simmering for over a year but then that's because of this story was in limbo due to the pandemic. But it did kill the suspense to a great degree and one loses the sense of their being this huge crisis. I guess we'll never know why this title was one of the last to be revived when things started loosening up.

Doom normally presents himself as being supremely confident and he is secure in knowing his solution will work perfectly. He expects that this act along with a vow to cast aside this life of villainy that he will be universally acclaimed and then rule the world. Same goal, different attitude. "I will atone and then I will be loved". But surprisingly he doesn't plan to take over right off. He plans to follow the example of the other Victor on the parallel Earth seen in these visions that have been haunting him throughout the story. He will agree to a sentence of solitary confinement to atone for his nefarious past misdeeds




But the most entertaining section of the book by far is the misguided attempt by Reed to tell Victor that he has faith in Victor's solution to the expanding black hole. The dialog pages between them is hilarious and tragic at the same time. It shows just how deeply embedded Doom's insecurities are since Reed criticized that gateway to the Netherworld he constructed back in college. In spite of Reed's assurances to the contrary, Victor is still thinking back to that day when Reed stood in his dorm and said he needed to check his calculations again. Doom finally just violently cuts off the transmission from Reed and starts to get busy changing things .His doubts start to take over and things start to go off the rails. It looks like the black hole blows up but we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. I'm sure since all the titles haven't come to an abrupt halt that the Earth survives but I wonder if Reed will step in to save the day, or maybe by sheer luck Doom's plan works anyway.

For the curious: I like how Cantwell does give us some interesting chapter titles to each issue and I'm sure many will be puzzled by "The Windows of My Mind". It comes from an Oscar winning song "The Windows of Your Mind" from the Thomas Crown Affair....the Steve McQueen original. Here's one of the verses. Kind of reminds one of the labyrinth mind of Doom

Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

[Albert1981]

Doctor Doom #9 "The Windmills of My Mind" Review and Spoilers

When last we left "our hero", Doom had regained the throne and violently annexed neighboring Symkaria. Now we finally get back to the impending disaster of the black hole that resulted from the destructive sabotage of the Antlion project on the Moon. Sometimes one almost forget that this is still out there hanging around in the void like the mythical Sword of Damocles. This black hole seems to have been simmering for over a year but then that's because of this story was in limbo due to the pandemic. But it did kill the suspense to a great degree and one loses the sense of their being this huge crisis. I guess we'll never know why this title was one of the last to be revived when things started loosening up.

Doom normally presents himself as being supremely confident and he is secure in knowing his solution will work perfectly. He expects that this act along with a vow to cast aside this life of villainy that he will be universally acclaimed and then rule the world. Same goal, different attitude. "I will atone and then I will be loved". But surprisingly he doesn't plan to take over right off. He plans to follow the example of the other Victor on the parallel Earth seen in these visions that have been haunting him throughout the story.

But the most entertaining section of the book by far is the misguided attempt by Reed to tell Victor that he has faith in Victor's solution to the expanding black hole. The dialog pages between them is hilarious and tragic at the same time. It shows just how deeply embedded Doom's insecurities are since Reed criticized that gateway to the Netherworld he constructed back in college. In spite of Reed's assurances to the contrary, Victor is still thinking back to that day when Reed stood in his dorm and said he needed to check his calculations again. Doom finally just violently cuts off the transmission from Reed and starts to get busy changing things .His doubts start to take over and things start to go off the rails. It looks like the black hole blows up but we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. I'm sure since all the titles haven't come to an abrupt halt that the Earth survives but I wonder if Reed will step in to save the day, or maybe by sheer luck Doom's plan works anyway.

For the curious: I like how Cantwell does give us some interesting chapter titles to each issue and I'm sure many will be puzzled by "The Windows of My Mind". It comes from an Oscar winning song "The Windows of Your Mind" from the Thomas Crown Affair....the Steve McQueen original. He's one of the verses. Kind of reminds one of the labyrinth mind of Doom

Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!

The late, great Michel Legrand was one of my favorite film composers. And the Windmills of Your Mind was one of my favorite songs of his.

[Iron Maiden]

The late, great Michel Legrand was one of my favorite film composers. And the Windmills of Your Mind was one of my favorite songs of his.

I liked his work too! I was surprised to see it referenced here. I think I first remember his work on the TV movie "Brian's Song" I think that is still a popular bit of theme music even today.

[Albert1981]

I liked his work too! I was surprised to see it referenced here. I think I first remember his work on the TV movie "Brian's Song" I think that is still a popular bit of theme music even today.

Brian's Song is very pretty. Even though he was French, Legrand was obviously heavily influenced by American jazz. You can clearly hear it in his scores. Modern film composers are less influenced by jazz today. But I would have to say my all-time favorite composition of his is the one from Summer of '42. That one was amazing! When Doom enters the MCU, he needs a theme all for himself. None of the themes for the current MCU characters have been particularly noteworthy. They're pretty good and getting better, but I find them mostly forgettable. I believe in the power of music to tell stories. I didn't use to think that way, but now I understand how music can powerfully engage emotions in storytelling. Thanks for reminding me of Brian's Song.

[Iron Maiden]

Brian's Song is very pretty. Even though he was French, Legrand was obviously heavily influenced by American jazz. You can clearly hear it in his scores. Modern film composers are less influenced by jazz today. But I would have to say my all-time favorite composition of his is the one from Summer of '42. That one was amazing! When Doom enters the MCU, he needs a theme all for himself. None of the themes for the current MCU characters have been particularly noteworthy. They're pretty good and getting better, but I find them mostly forgettable. I believe in the power of music to tell stories. I didn't use to think that way, but now I understand how music can powerfully engage emotions in storytelling. Thanks for reminding me of Brian's Song.

You're welcome. I agree about the MCU scores...most of them don't stick in my mind. The one score that I always will remember in superhero films is Danny Elfman's "Batman." Doom needs something dark and epic like that.

[Albert1981]

You're welcome. I agree about the MCU scores...most of them don't stick in my mind. The one score that I always will remember in superhero films is Danny Elfman's "Batman." Doom needs something dark and epic like that.

You've been jogging my memory a LOT today. I completely forgot about Elfman's Batman score! That was a great one. Especially the build-up in it. Thanks again for the remainder. I do think Doom needs a theme that respects the epic history of his character. I don't think the MCU should emulate John Williams's "Imperial March" that was written for Darth Vader. I don't think it's fair for any modern composer to compete with a classic like that one. I wouldn't go the "martial" music route with Victor. But I'm curious about HOW the MCU will introduce Doom into the movies/shows. Will it be as a sorcerer? Or as a scientist? Because music for fantasy and science fiction can be VERY different. One thing I think Disney should do is rely a little bit less on electronic music (which I DO like a LOT), and start paying more orchestras to perform the music. Lord knows they can afford it. For Doom I would use LOTS of horns, strings and percussion.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Some of the most brilliant pages I've seen in a comic lately.

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[MagSeven]

Some of the most brilliant pages I've seen in a comic lately.

Doctor Doom #9 -- Doom Reed pettiness 01.jpg

I love how I can read the same scene separately from both of their perspectives and they can both end up looking like pompous dicks. Really liked this issue.

[Iron Maiden]

Some of the most brilliant pages I've seen in a comic lately.

Doctor Doom #9 -- Doom Reed pettiness 01.jpg

Totally agree. For someone who hasn't worked in the comics medium for long he has a strong grasp of the ideas he wants to put across. IMO he brings out the best in Larocca too. Working in the film medium is a good foundation I would think. JMS adapted to comics very well too IMO. They both aren't all about the characters slugging it out....they delve into the characters.

I love how I can read the same scene separately from both of their perspectives and they can both end up looking like pompous dicks. Really liked this issue.

You know, you're right. And that is the beauty of that scene. Either Reed doesn't have a clue how he is coming across, knowing Doom as long as he has he is being passive/aggressive and getting under his skin deliberately. Reed should have left the good luck wishes for Cap. Doom would have accepted them from him at face value I would think.

[JudicatorPrime]

But the most entertaining section of the book by far is the misguided attempt by Reed to tell Victor that he has faith in Victor's solution to the expanding black hole. The dialog pages between them is hilarious and tragic at the same time. It shows just how deeply embedded Doom's insecurities are since Reed criticized that gateway to the Netherworld he constructed back in college. In spite of Reed's assurances to the contrary, Victor is still thinking back to that day when Reed stood in his dorm and said he needed to check his calculations again. Doom finally just violently cuts off the transmission from Reed and starts to get busy changing things .His doubts start to take over and things start to go off the rails.

That entire back and forth was disturbing on many levels, considering we're talking about two of the greatest intellects, leaders, strong willed and presumably psychologically balanced individuals on the planet behaving that way in a crisis. Oddly enough, it brought to mind the type of argument that I used to have with one of my more insecure ex-girlfriends. If I was completely unfamiliar with Reed or Victor, I would speculate that the two had been lovers at one point. I've only ever seen people with deep emotional or physically intimate history be that easily triggered and to that magnitude.

It looks like the black hole blows up but we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. I'm sure since all the titles haven't come to an abrupt halt that the Earth survives but I wonder if Reed will step in to save the day, or maybe by sheer luck Doom's plan works anyway.

Place your bets now on how the moon gets fixed. I'm going with Uatu or Ulana the Watchers -- or their still as yet unnamed kid, who is Blue Marvel's "godchild" -- playing a role, with time travel being my second pick.

By the way, I think Victor was right to speed things up. Time slows near the event horizon of a black hole due to super-gravitational forces. Light or energy reflected off of mirrors from a source outside of the event horizon would land at a different rate than the same light hitting the moon if there wasn't a black hole.

[Iron Maiden]

That entire back and forth was disturbing on many levels, considering we're talking about two of the greatest intellects, leaders, strong willed and presumably psychologically balanced individuals on the planet behaving that way in a crisis. Oddly enough, it brought to mind the type of argument that I used to have with one of my more insecure ex-girlfriends. If I was completely unfamiliar with Reed or Victor, I would speculate that the two had been lovers at one point. I've only ever seen people with deep emotional or physically intimate history be that easily triggered and to that magnitude.

I think that's exactly what Cantwell is bringing out here. He hinted as much in the interview where he talks about what he would like to do in a second arc. Doom never got over how he failed in Reed's eyes in their college days. Over the years, that incident has morphed into a successful experiment that Reed didn't understand because the formulae was intermixed with mystic symbols. We see in other stories like Brubaker's Books of Doom that Doom did pierce the veil into the Netherworld and encountered his mother's trapped soul. Yet I don't think Victor told Reed that part. There has been AU's were the relationship is much different. I have to look it up but I am pretty sure that Hickman had an AU that Earth that implied that Victor and Reed were really close friends. That Earth was wiped out by Thanos and his Cabal. Reed and Victor were the last two defenders and they were doing well until Reed got killed. After that, that Victor just gave up fighting and got killed by the Cabal. Made me wonder if Hickman was suggesting they were more intimate in their relationships that just colleagues

Place your bets now on how the moon gets fixed. I'm going with Uatu or Ulana the Watchers -- or their still as yet unnamed kid, who is Blue Marvel's "godchild" -- playing a role, with time travel being my second pick.

By the way, I think Victor was right to speed things up. Time slows near the event horizon of a black hole due to super-gravitational forces. Light or energy reflected off of mirrors from a source outside of the event horizon would land at a different rate than the same light hitting the moon if there wasn't a black hole.

I'm glad you understand that....astrophysics is out of my league! It will be interesting to see how this winds up in just one issue. It's a shame now that we know that Cantwell was only given the 10 issues to wind up his story when this title was originally promoted as a new ongoing at last year's SDCC. I don't know if you read my other post in the Doom thread but he has a really mind blowing idea for his second arc, if he gets a chance. I'm hoping he will.

[Agent Z]

That entire back and forth was disturbing on many levels, considering we're talking about two of the greatest intellects, leaders, strong willed and presumably psychologically balanced individuals on the planet behaving that way in a crisis. Oddly enough, it brought to mind the type of argument that I used to have with one of my more insecure ex-girlfriends. If I was completely unfamiliar with Reed or Victor, I would speculate that the two had been lovers at one point. I've only ever seen people with deep emotional or physically intimate history be that easily triggered and to that magnitude.



Place your bets now on how the moon gets fixed. I'm going with Uatu or Ulana the Watchers -- or their still as yet unnamed kid, who is Blue Marvel's "godchild" -- playing a role, with time travel being my second pick.

By the way, I think Victor was right to speed things up. Time slows near the event horizon of a black hole due to super-gravitational forces. Light or energy reflected off of mirrors from a source outside of the event horizon would land at a different rate than the same light hitting the moon if there wasn't a black hole.

When has Victor Von Doom ever been portrayed as psychologically balanced?

[JudicatorPrime]

When has Victor Von Doom ever been portrayed as psychologically balanced?

Are you suggesting that Doom sees himself as mentally unstable? I know as readers we have the benefit of the narrator's omnipresent perspective, but I think Victor would say that he is very much in his right mind 99% of the time.

[Agent Z]

Are you suggesting that Doom sees himself as mentally unstable? I know as readers we have the benefit of the narrator's omnipresent perspective, but I think Victor would say that he is very much in his right mind 99% of the time.

I'm sure he would but I don't think anyone who spends more than five minutes with the man would make such a claim unless they were indoctrinated by his propaganda.

[JudicatorPrime]

I'm sure he would but I don't think anyone who spends more than five minutes with the man would make such a claim unless they were indoctrinated by his propaganda.

I get what you're saying, but on the spectrum of mental health I think most PhD's in the field would grade Victor out as balanced, i.e., perfectly sane. Even Hitler, by every account, was perfectly sane. Sure, we call them "madmen" and other terms as if to indicate they are somehow psychologically departed from normal senses and perspective, but they're not. To do that would be to diminish what real insanity is and, further, it runs the risk of dismissing full culpability for their beliefs, choices and actions.