"Krakoa isn't about assimilation"?

[baxer]

A.K.A what the US did with Werhner Von Braun

At least USA made sure to not let Braun betray them

[ARkadelphia]

It’s a fine line between culture and cult, isn’t it?

[Steel Inquisitor]

It's not like they blindly accepted him, they clearly hate his guts and tolerate him at best because they need his genius.

But they do blindly accept him, Sinister's still treated too comfortable there. Why aren't more people disrespecting him or plotting against him behind his back? He's more like wacky Uncle Fester at the Council than an actual threat there, someone who has access to every clone DNA and is known for betraying people. Even the Morlocks haven't gone against him.

Because the mutants have collectively had to deal with the entire MU being against them or not doing much to help them as the government creates murder bots to round up/exterminate even the most harmless of mutants. This is going to cause the backlash that results in the attitudes we see in Krakoa. They've been made to feel lesser for so long, they've understandably swung to their own extreme. And the narrative isn't taking a clear stance that they are 100% right, because it isn't a clear cut issue. Just as it's kind of understandable for the humans to be getting nervous with the Krakoans uniting and reveling in their power considering some of the citizens of Krakoa.

Wrong. Not everyone in the MCU hates them or tries to kill them because they're mutants. And not every mutant has the same experience with oppression, Emma Frost has had a more luxurious life style than Marrow. And there are the evil mutants who deliberately foster conflict because they love race wars (Apocalypse) or they want to sacrifice mutants for their own gain (Hellfire Club). Various mutants have caused more harm to mutants than many humans and Krkaoa can't wait to give them political power over their victims. Krakao isn't being benign they foster anti-non mutant attitudes from everyone, even Jean Grey thinks humans distantly now rather than as being in the same race. The narrative has been heavily stated Krakoa are the villains in this story from day one, dong shady things nearly from jump. They're the Illuminati in this story. It's how Krkaao are doing that which is going to cause concern among their own non-mutant allies, that's why they're a closed society - and why no Krakoa so far has made a whisper to outsiders about things like the Crucible. That's why outsiders think they're weirdos, Krkaoa knows people would freak out if they actually knew what they were doing behind closed doors.

Or the machine race being a threat to both of them, when they are created to take part in a war they didn't start. So Mother Mold isn't wrong to resent both species and plan to wipe them out. There is hypocrisy on all sides borne from understandable/human reasons, and that's what makes this interesting and exciting.

Too bad Moira X wants to keep that a secret too herself for her own plans rather then warn the super-hero community who might want to know about it when the time comes. It's not like Mr. Fantastic wouldn't be helpful stopping god-like beings outside of reality. Mother Mould was wrong because all it saw was binary, and no greys - because it's a mass murdering robot. Not when one side is presented as a straw man.

[SiegePerilous02]

But they do blindly accept him, Sinister's still treated too comfortable there. Why aren't more people disrespecting him or plotting against him behind his back? He's more like wacky Uncle Fester at the Council than an actual threat there, someone who has access to every clone DNA and is known for betraying people. Even the Morlocks haven't gone against him.

They all disrespected him at the Council scene in Hellions and didn't believe his act for a minute. That's not evidence they are blindly accepting him. You also say he's being treated as a saint, but I'm sorry that's not being supported remotely by the text. They are using him/tolerating him out of need, not accepting him. That may be a valid issue people have trouble buying, but saying "accepting" is just not accurate.

They could be plotting against him behind his back or have protocols against his likely betrayal. The narrative hasn't revealed that yet, doesn't mean it wont.

Wrong. Not everyone in the MCU hates them or tries to kill them because they're mutants. And not every mutant has the same experience with oppression, Emma Frost has had a more luxurious life style than Marrow. And there are the evil mutants who deliberately foster conflict because they love race wars (Apocalypse) or they want to sacrifice mutants for their own gain (Hellfire Club). Various mutants have caused more harm to mutants than many humans and Krkaoa can't wait to give them political power over their victims. Krakao isn't being benign they foster anti-non mutant attitudes from everyone, even Jean Grey thinks humans distantly now rather than as being in the same race. The narrative has been heavily stated Krakoa are the villains in this story from day one, dong shady things nearly from jump. They're the Illuminati in this story. It's how Krkaao are doing that which is going to cause concern among their own non-mutant allies, that's why they're a closed society - and why no Krakoa so far has made a whisper to outsiders about things like the Crucible. That's why outsiders think they're weirdos, Krkaoa knows people would freak out if they actually knew what they were doing behind closed doors.

The majority of the MU populace is at best apathetic to the oppression mutants generally face. There are exceptions like Emma, but as a rule the average mutant who has benign powers or just looks a little different is likely to get mob violence done against them or something. The amnesty is in effect, the mutants need to depend on each other for their latest venture and their "start from square one needs to apply to everyone or no one" is necessary for the complex task of building a nation.

The narrative has been clear that Krakoa has shady aspects...just like any nation. It is not firmly putting them into a hero/villain category because that is not the type of story this is. They are doing things that make us uncomfortable and asking us uncomfortable questions, but that is what makes it better than a straight hero vs. villain story. As for the Crucible, I see no evidence to suggest they are worried about what the outside world thinks of it. It is for them as a people first and foremost, not anyone else. They are still working it out themselves, and need time to get their house in order (not a remotely unreasonable thing to want), but they aren't going to be ashamed of it for the sake of what outsider's think. Kurt and Logan are iffy on it, but not necessarily for that reason.

Too bad Moira X wants to keep that a secret too herself for her own plans rather then warn the super-hero community who might want to know about it when the time comes. It's not like Mr. Fantastic wouldn't be helpful stopping god-like beings outside of reality. Mother Mould was wrong because all it saw was binary, and no greys - because it's a mass murdering robot. Not when one side is presented as a straw man.

Moira X is not set up to be a perfect saint who we can rule out as an unreliable narrator. Neither are Xavier and Magneto who have more than enough of a shady history between them, which is why their actions in this story really aren't as OOC as people claim. If they are keeping this information from people, it's highly possible it's being set up to see it bite them in the ass. Cyclops has already acted against their wishes, and it might end with Krakoa under his leadership with the more problematic members either out in the cold or in the pit with Creed.

You say Mother Mold only saw in binary and not grey, but respectfully you are approaching this story in a similar way and it doesn't quite work. It's a grey story with no clear good guys or bad guys that is meant to spark discussion, which is what the line desperately needed to prevent it from going through the numbers over and over again and becoming septic. Like it did shortly before Morrison took over.

[Outburstz]

Honestly it's a pretty stupid take by people saying they need to take down Sinister when he is the reason why half the people on the island are even alive right now.

[pkingdom]

Its more of a case where any plan that relies on Sinister, particularly the ongoing cooperation of Sinister, is a bad plan and you're either a bad person or an idiot for trying. That's pretty much it in the most simplistic terms.

[BroHomo]

Well that settles it. Still reinforcing a narrative that he's a villain, not someone we are meant to view as saintly just because he's a mutant.

How? The Dudes name is Sinister when were you Under the impression we were supposed to look at him in a ! saintly' way?

Sentinels are treated as the go-to counter mutant weapons, even if they are ridiculous. Especially now that they have a nation who's primary military force is superpowered mutants, other nations having anti-mutant weapons around should be expected. Seems like a stretch to treat having the weapons as the same as people demanding genocide.

lol so cause the minority is coming together for safety it totally justifies the use of killer robots terrorize them For decades? The people who are the most scared/worried about some 'other' people moving up and. taking over/doing them harm and almost 100% the people who were abusive or hated the 'others' The size of you fence shows how much shady **** you do in the world smdh
https://www.history.com/news/black**...rt-mulford-act

When have governments expressly or tacitly approved the slaughters? More than just some rogue general or something. I want to be clear that I'm not being sarcastic and snarky, because there have been a lot of nuts trying to wipe them out, but that's different from nations explicitly trying to kill them all.

Huh??? So you're asking when a marvel writer used a real country as being openly complacent in the killing of a minority Group? Dude it's ALWAYS some crazed general or brainwashing WhatEsther in the end. Why risk alienating fans/pissing that country off after portraying their government cool with Genocide? Buuut to Answer your question the must recent was the US UK all the countries cool with the death cloud rolling through then in IvX

Anyway, if a human villain who harms a mutant does it systematically for bigotry reasons, we can blame X-men writers for their lack of imagination.

Lack of imagination? bigotry against mutants exist in the 616 uni That's like complaining that greed is always the reasoning behind bank robberies

If you continue to use a weapon that not only was designed to persecute minorities, but also has been shown that can get out of control and act on it's own and/or is easily taken over by someone else from day one, then you are as guilty as the people that deliberately try to have them killed. Plus, yeah, in many cases, it was shown they killed mutants with the express or tacit approval of the governments involved.

Dude Right!

Well for me it takes me out of suspension of disbelief

Hm ok.

But at the same time, quite a few of the monstrous villains harmed humans due to bigotry of declaring that they are superior. So how is it that one set of bigotry gets a pass while the other becomes a full shadow cast upon the entire race? Bigotry is bigotry no matter who does it.

[numberthirty]

It still is a bad look that mutants accepted him

Well for me it takes me out of suspension of disbelief

Pretty easy to remedy.

There is one realistic approach to that mutants are killed every other time they turn around.

It is the one in the current story line. It involves that taking the one realistic approach to solving your main problem means involving Sinister and keeping him on the shortest leash possible.

Pretty easy to believe.

[numberthirty]

Its more of a case where any plan that relies on Sinister, particularly the ongoing cooperation of Sinister, is a bad plan and you're either a bad person or an idiot for trying. That's pretty much it in the most simplistic terms.

Not really...

You left out that it is the best and most realistic plan in a world where there are repeated and successful attempts on mutant lives.

Wanting to live does not make you a bad person or an idiot. Neither does taking the most reasonable approach to dealing with that reality.

[Zelena]

At least USA made sure to not let Braun betray them

And Von Braun didn’t have a position of responsability in the US government…

[Zelena]

Well for me it takes me out of suspension of disbelief

When I remember the kind of people the X-men were, such thing would have at least stirred up many objections. And if Claremont had written this, it would have involved much more melodrama “Should we do it?” “Is it moral?” “It’s still Sinister…” I liked the X-men for their dilemmas, are there any now? Without moral and principles, could there any?

[SiegePerilous02]

How? The Dudes name is Sinister when were you Under the impression we were supposed to look at him in a ! saintly' way?

Oh I never was. There is some responses that we are meant to view him as sympathetic now due to the current arc, but I don't view it that way at all. I'm just as baffled as you at that.

[baxer]

When I remember the kind of people the X-men were, such thing would have at least stirred up many objections. And if Claremont had written this, it would have involved much more melodrama “Should we do it?” “Is it moral?” “It’s still Sinister…” I liked the X-men for their dilemmas, are there any now? Without moral and principles, could there any?

It lacked more discussion for sure. Then we have him being part of government and they gave him a team of "misfits" with some mental health problems. Like WTH mutants think they are doing?
Sinister has too much freedom to do what he wants, somebody would think they would watch him closer

[Tasuxeda]

It lacked more discussion for sure. Then we have him being part of government and they gave him a team of "misfits" with some mental health problems. Like WTH mutants think they are doing?
Sinister has too much freedom to do what he wants, somebody would think they would watch him closer

The problem with taking away too much freedom from Sinister is that he could decide that working with Krokoa isn't worth it and leave taking with him his collection of mutant DNA and while chances are that they have their own DNA backups for some mutants including those living on Krokoa, I doubt they have the DNA of all the dead mutants that they have stored in Cerebro so if Sinister leaves then some mutant will never be revived.

[pkingdom]

There's not much about the current going ons that you could really say are the 'most reasonable/realistic solution'. Just look at how much of what's going on is based on deceit, for starters.