"Krakoa isn't about assimilation"?

[BroHomo]

Which they've fought against.




So why is Sinister getting a pass?

Because he was manipulated by a more powerful being after the loss of his his kid
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He just does it for the science not hate

[Glio]

Sinister is shit but he is the one that provides the genetic database with which all mutants can be resurrected. Until Magneto and Xavier find a way to secure it without needing Sinister, it's a necessary evil.

[Zelena]

Redemption implies making up for the past sins or at least being repentant. None of the villains on Krakoa displayed either of these qualities. In fact, some of them are already doubling down and proving themselves to be utterly undeserving of redemption.

I agree. In the past, Xavier made an habit of welcoming villains in his club (Magneto, Rogue, …). But these villains went through a purgatory where they had to prove they have changed. It wasn’t automatic.
Big difference with now.

[Zelena]

He just does it for the science not hate

I’m sure it makes a difference if you are one of his victims…

[frostedemma]

Sinister is literally a Nazi scientist. Totally unrepentant about it. They don't need him, they need his DNA banks, which they have now. Apocalypse has joked about the civilizations he's ended. He has successfully done the kinds of things Red Skull wants to do. And many mutant X villains fought the X men and didn't give a damn about mutankind. Shaw funded the Sentinel project, and the Hellions once tried to kill a mutant kid with Down Syndrome because it made him 'useless'. Hell, Stryfe created and unleashed the Legacy virus on mutantkind out of spite! And even the ones that were trying to 'advance the cause' often were eager to commit genocide and mass murder. That doesn't suddenly become OK because mutants have it rough.



Don't forgot those guys continue to abuse their powers on the people around them while on Krakoa. Empath has mind raped someone every issue he's shown up.

I get that Sinister is a necessary evil since his work was instrumental for the resurrections but there's no reason why Psylocke and the rest of the council are letting Empath manipulate people like that with barely a slap on the wrist.

[gonnagiveittoya]

I wonder if all the people that condemn Krakoa because it welcomes every mutant realise how hypocritical they are; basically their stance is if "you erred in the past you should not have redemption", and that's exactly the authoritarian states (and USA) philosophy when it comes to crime, "if you commit a crime you are evil and only deserve punishment" (no wonder USA have 1 citizen out of 100 in jail and are on of the worst first world country when it comes to crime and murders). Krakoa giving a chance to everyone is more of a Christian approach than anything else.

There's a difference between "you deserve a chance to redeem yourself" and "Run our government despite being evil"

[frostedemma]

There's just not enough of Krakoan culture developped and explored so far to claim that it's an assimilationist society. From what we've seen so far its an Island where all mutants are welcome and can have a house but they're not forced to live there and there's some rules to follow like in every society and civilisation in history. The dominant culture seems to be American/Western but its more of a default mode from the writers because they're all Americans.

Julian question about assimilation doesn't mean that Krakoa does practise assimilation but rather a genuine concern from one Indigenous person to another about if Julian will be allowed to kept his identity and culture given the history of forced assimilation and cultural genocide on Natives and Indigenous people in world throughout history, especially in the context of the US.

[pkingdom]

The Christian comment is confusing, because forgiveness is supposed to be mixed with penance and repentance. Basically, your are supposed to forgive people when they admit their mistakes and take steps to correct themselves and make amends. That's not happening here. Here its literally 'we'll ignore everything you've ever done' and not really require them to make any kind of amends. And yeah, the extra step of putting some of the worst of them in charge of the government makes it even worse.

You're right in that Krakoa doesn't really have enough of a culture or identity of its own at this point to really say its requiring assimilation. But I will stand by having Dani immediately talk about humans afterwards like that undercut what point she was trying to make.

[frostedemma]

That comment about forgiveness being a more of a christian thing is just plain wrong. Forgiveness, mercy and pardon are important tenants of all Abrahamic religions as well as in Buddhism and Zen Buddhism....

[pkingdom]

And then there would be the angle of 'forgiveness for all mutants no matter how monstrous, but humans get nothing' that that would emphasize. Its a weird aspect to go off of.

[Agent Z]

Because he was manipulated by a more powerful being after the loss of his his kid
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He just does it for the science not hate

Sinister was a eugenicist before the death of his kid. Being "manipulated" can only excuse so much of what he's done since then. You think the victims of Nazis cared that Nazi scientists didn't hate them?

[Zelena]

Sinister was a eugenicist before the death of his kid. Being "manipulated" can only excuse so much of what he's done since then. You think the victims of Nazis cared that Nazi scientists didn't hate them?

You rarely hate your lab rat but at least you consider it as below yourself, otherwise you wouldn’t make dubious experimentations on it.

It is that makes me uneasy about this run: considering that there are superior and inferior people.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Because he was manipulated by a more powerful being after the loss of his his kid
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He just does it for the science not hate

As a human Sinister was helping the Marauders abduct and experiment on the homeless and before this he was kicked out of Victorian medial community for being a monster. That's how depraved he was, a case could be made he's less humane than Apocalypse, who has understandable reasons for going dark side in his early days like with Rama Tut. Which really says something about how monstrous Sinister is as a person.

Except when he gets incredibly personal with manipulating and stalking Scott Summers when he was a kid and continued to do so when he was an adult. Not that that being true wouldn't make him not a monster, that's the definition of a "mad scientist." Remember when he tortured mutants to death on a global scale in "Powerless" for scientific research? But no, he's doing something helpful for once for mutant kind this makes him a saint. It's not like he's going to betray them or anything because he's evil.

[Agent Z]

As a human Sinister was helping the Marauders abduct and experiment on the homeless and before this he was kicked out of Victorian medial community for being a monster. That's how depraved he was, a case could be made he's less humane than Apocalypse, who has understandable reasons for going dark side in his early days like with Rama Tut. Which really says something about how monstrous Sinister is as a person.

Except when he gets incredibly personal with manipulating and stalking Scott Summers when he was a kid and continued to do so when he was an adult. Not that that being true wouldn't make him not a monster, that's the definition of a "mad scientist." Remember when he tortured mutants to death on a global scale in "Powerless" for scientific research? But no, he's doing something helpful for once for mutant kind this makes him a saint. It's not like he's going to betray them or anything because he's evil.

Where Sinister a human who hated mutants or a non-Xmen villain we wouldn't be having this conversation that's for certain.

[Zelena]

Where Sinister a human who hated mutants or a non-Xmen villain we wouldn't be having this conversation that's for certain.

As the previous authors did what they could to blacken the X-men’s opponents and made certain that the X-men fought horrible people, it’s certainly strange/curious/funny to read excuses for them…