"Krakoa isn't about assimilation"?

[ZephyrSurf]

We still don't know if those people were left unconscious or dead.

There is quite literally a data page, in the book itself. That states it's a genocide.

"We don't know"

[Omega Alpha]

Even 90s and early 2000's. Is there a reason why more people don't want this? And are determined this is the true Beast? Other than they don't like retcons (that doesn't seem to usually be the case). I mean people who have read him before should know that is not how he always was but they usually mention OOC behavior for others?

Yes, one of those things I just don't get is Marvel's insistence on this characterization for Beast for nearly 15 years now. It's not possible they just haven't realized how he passed from one of the X-men everyone loved to one everyone hates. It's just bizarre.

[ZephyrSurf]

Yes, one of those things I just don't get is Marvel's insistence on this characterization for Beast for nearly 15 years now. It's not possible they just haven't realized how he passed from one of the X-men everyone loved to one everyone hates. It's just bizarre.

Pretty sure it's an X-office thing more than a Marvel thing. Most books outside of X-men just treat him like kooky guy pal of Wonderman he was in the 80s;

[Glio]

There is quite literally a data page, in the book itself. That states it's a genocide.

"We don't know"

"And in doing so he very well might be responsible for the death of a nation, the genocide of the Terra verdean people"

Textual words.

Might.

[Devaishwarya]

In my reading and understanding...
I took "might be responsible" to be ascribed to his part in "f*ckin thing up with a poorly conceived decision" that, in conjunction with the actual God/Parasite/WTF-ever, led to the genocide of Terra Verdeans.

He wasn't the sole arbiter, nor even the actual, direct cause of the genocide but "...for the death of a nation" is a definitive consequence of his actions.

[Glio]

Until Terra Verde is mentioned again, I still don't know if the people there were left unconscious or dead when the connection to the plants was severed.

[baxer]

Pretty sure it's an X-office thing more than a Marvel thing. Most books outside of X-men just treat him like kooky guy pal of Wonderman he was in the 80s;

Morrison really screwed up Beast. It really seems like making him do mistakes it is a thing that X-office loves to do. There is too few differences between him and the Dark Beast

[Omega Alpha]

Morrison really screwed up Beast. It really seems like making him do mistakes it is a thing that X-office loves to do. There is too few differences between him and the Dark Beast

With Morrison, he was still a good guy who cared about his friends, was just a little depressed about his changing in appearance. This non-sense started with Fraction.

[Devaishwarya]

Until Terra Verde is mentioned again, I still don't know if the people there were left unconscious or dead when the connection to the plants was severed.

Some of one and most of the other? I'm guessing.

"genocide" does not necessarily mean ALL 100% of the people are dead and gone.

[Glio]

The "problem with Beast" is that they used him to speak out all the criticisms of Cyclops to totally irrational points, like when he insulted him in the middle of Nightcrawler's funeral.

Now he can't even get into Cyclops so instead of being an "anti-Scott jerk" he's just a jerk.

Anyway, I don't understand what X-Force has to do with assimilation.

[SiegePerilous02]

Morrison really screwed up Beast. It really seems like making him do mistakes it is a thing that X-office loves to do. There is too few differences between him and the Dark Beast

Beyond changing his physical appearance, Morrison didn't do anything to change Beast character wise. There is no trace of his current characterization in that run. They did not pull this crap from there.

[Devaishwarya]

Beyond changing his physical appearance, Morrison didn't do anything to change Beast character wise. There is no trace of his current characterization in that run. They did not pull this crap from there.

Exactatiously.
I really do wish some would actually read the books/characters they are trying hard to disparage. It would give more weight and validity to their opinions.

[Omega Alpha]

The "problem with Beast" is that they used him to speak out all the criticisms of Cyclops to totally irrational points, like when he insulted him in the middle of Nightcrawler's funeral.

What makes it worst is that Marvel seems to think he was in the right in his criticisms, so they don't get fan reaction.

Anyway, I don't understand what X-Force has to do with assimilation.

Nothing, but then again the idea that Krakoa is about assimilation is blatantly false, so, what the heck?

[baxer]

The "problem with Beast" is that they used him to speak out all the criticisms of Cyclops to totally irrational points, like when he insulted him in the middle of Nightcrawler's funeral.

Now he can't even get into Cyclops so instead of being an "anti-Scott jerk" he's just a jerk.

Anyway, I don't understand what X-Force has to do with assimilation.

Beast was right to call out on Scott, people might not like how it happened but that is a small detail

[Glio]

Beast was right to call out on Scott, people might not like how it happened but that is a small detail

"Small detail" = Almost destroyed spacetime.