"Krakoa isn't about assimilation"?

[Agent Z]

When did the lecture towards Luke happen?

[Agent Z]

Seriously that Emma Frost lectured Luke Cage about being persecuted? LOL OMG I have no doubts the writer was white to do this.

Yes Emma has ignored consent many times, she shouldnt be a hero. For much less Hank got only crap coming to him.



he isn't popular because he questions Cyclops. He is popular because he is violent but aso is a father figure to girls like Kitty and Jubes.



It was a big bait, they clearly wanted to get people atention so they did that but had no intention of following up on that.

I stated it was one if the reasons he was popular.

[baxer]

I stated it was one if the reasons he was popular.

I dont even think this is one of the reasons Logan is popular. I neer saw people saying they like him because he questions Cyclops. Logan got out weaker of the whole schism thing

[Steel Inquisitor]

When did the lecture towards Luke happen?

Bendis' New Avengers, Luke and Daredevil were transporting Emma to prison after the Phoenix Five IIRC.

Emma's not a Villain, only the most fan driven 'my fave better' kinda stan would argue that position in 2020. Now there are definitely issues with the minority comparison AND I COULD SPEND ALL WEEK RUNNING THEM DOWN but that's not the core of what I'd consider the issue with this era.

Biggest issue is that a lot is left up to interpretation and it's pretty clear the writers, while somewhat on the same page, clearly are in different paragraphs.

Did you read what Emma did in New Tien in X-men: Blue? Straight up Purple Man brainwashing in "re-education" camps and other people who were in her inner circle, like Xorn. No, this is not up for interpretation and that's not getting into what she did to Scott in Morrison's run as his "therapist." And Emma should not be the one saying that to Luke Cage. Ever. Especially when she made her bones making slaves of mutants in the Hellfire Club, like she tried to do to Kitty.

[BroHomo]

No, it's really not. Hickman's making an incredibly controversial direction with the franchise, it's not simply about people being weirded out because of the sex stuff. Cyclops and Emma are also controversial characters in their own right, have been for years. Their sexual proclivities are boring compared to why people dislike them or why they hooked up. Emma's bad because she's still a villain who will do things like brainwash citizens under her own authority in re-education camps, something which has been swept under the rug with New Tien in X-men: Blue then complain whenever someone confronts her about it - which is rarely the X-men these days. It really was irritating how she dared to lecture Luke Cage about oppression. Her fascist tendencies really make her uncomfortable to read in today's political climate, but she has a great fashion sense and is a beautiful, blonde white lady so it'll be ignored.

Bendis' New Avengers, Luke and Daredevil were transporting Emma to prison after the Phoenix Five IIRC.

Seriously that Emma Frost lectured Luke Cage about being persecuted? LOL OMG I have no doubts the writer was white to do this.

If its the same issue Im thinking of Emma barely said sh!t to hm let alone gave him a lecture....afterwards her prison escort gets is held up by folks tryng kill her cause shes a mutant.

he isn't popular because he questions Cyclops. He is popular because he is violent but aso is a father figure to girls like Kitty and Jubes.

Huh? tbh most of Wolverines popularity is the result of what people saw on various Tv Shows/Movies. Can't really think of one in which his dad skils play a huge (or any) part of his character

I dont even think this is one of the reasons Logan is popular. I neer saw people saying they like him because he questions Cyclops.

I've literally never heard anyone even suggest people like him because he's a good surrogate Dad lol

Did you read what Emma did in New Tien in X-men: Blue? Straight up Purple Man brainwashing in "re-education" camps and other people who were in her inner circle, like Xorn. No, this is not up for interpretation and that's not getting into what she did to Scott in Morrison's run as his "therapist." And Emma should not be the one saying that to Luke Cage. Ever. Especially when she made her bones making slaves of mutants in the Hellfire Club, like she tried to do to Kitty.

You mean when she agreed...at the request of Steve Rogers....to keep mutants in line as to avoid an all out war with the HydraUSA a war the mutants had no hope of wining. Yeah keeping her people safe, happy, and alive.
What a cold hearted B!tch

[baxer]

tbh most of Wolverines popularity is the result of what people saw on various Tv Shows/Movies. Can't really think of one in which his dad skils play a huge (or any) part of his character

I've literally never heard anyone even suggest people like him because he's a good surrogate Dad lol

Evolution he was a father figure and on X-men movie he played a mentor and on Logan he was a father figure too

You mean when she agreed...at the request of Steve Rogers....to keep mutants in line as to avoid an all out war with the HydraUSA a war the mutants had no hope of wining. Yeah keeping her people safe, happy, and alive.
What a cold hearted B!tch

Sure oing things a fascist wants is the way to go. Poor xorn got controlled all the time

[Kingdom X]

Like BroHomo said the surrogate father aspect definitely is not Wolverine’s biggest draw and is often relegated to the background in his solo series. I was rewatching the animated series and all he DOES is go against Cyclops. This plus the movies led to an entire generation of non-comic readers thinking that Cyke is just a boyscout meant to play off the badass Wolverine.

[pkingdom]

I think you're right, but Dad-verine is my favorite Wolverine.

Emma conversations are dangerous around here in my experience. She's done some really awful **** and her fans are just 'bad writing doesn't count'. Worldwide mind control, mass bombing, capitulating to Nazi's....The Nazi one is hilarious because of how often she's on the 'mutants are superior' camp, and apparently Hydra was so scary she had no choice but to give in without a fight. And in the climax Magneto showing up is treated like 'welp, its over now!'. Hell, Hydra only lasts as long as it did because it kept heroes away, either through the planet shield or the darkforce dome. As soon as those drop its all over.

And then there's Beast (presumably not mind controlled) leading a bunch of mutants into turning the Secret Warriors over to Hydra while being racist to them. Said Inhuman members of the Secret Warriors include most of the Inhumans who SIDED WITH THE MUTANTS in that whole stupid mess, including Moon Girl, who was the one who built the machine to destroy the cloud!

Does anyone have that page of Emma lecturing Luke Cage? Is that really a real thing that exists?

[Steel Inquisitor]

If its the same issue Im thinking of Emma barely said sh!t to hm let alone gave him a lecture....afterwards her prison escort gets is held up by folks tryng kill her cause shes a mutant.

Read it again. Yes, it was, didn't make what she did any less wrong. But she wasn't able to bend them to her will so she's unhappy about people telling her no. Consent isn't her strong suit, even a an X-man. You can take the Hellfire Club out of the girl, but you can't take the girl out of the Hellfire Club.

You mean when she agreed...at the request of Steve Rogers....to keep mutants in line as to avoid an all out war with the HydraUSA a war the mutants had no hope of wining. Yeah keeping her people safe, happy, and alive.
What a cold hearted B!tch

You mean alt Nazi! Steve Rogers, it's not like the real Cap did that. What's rich is that HYDRA Cap just gave her territory, he didn't force her to brainwash her own citizens she did that all on her own initiative. So yeah, she's cold alright. Back before Emma led the X-men they fought people like Nazis and stood up against genocide, but not on Frost's watch.

[baxer]

I think you're right, but Dad-verine is my favorite Wolverine.

Emma conversations are dangerous around here in my experience. She's done some really awful **** and her fans are just 'bad writing doesn't count'. Worldwide mind control, mass bombing, capitulating to Nazi's....The Nazi one is hilarious because of how often she's on the 'mutants are superior' camp, and apparently Hydra was so scary she had no choice but to give in without a fight. And in the climax Magneto showing up is treated like 'welp, its over now!'. Hell, Hydra only lasts as long as it did because it kept heroes away, either through the planet shield or the darkforce dome. As soon as those drop its all over.

And then there's Beast (presumably not mind controlled) leading a bunch of mutants into turning the Secret Warriors over to Hydra while being racist to them. Said Inhuman members of the Secret Warriors include most of the Inhumans who SIDED WITH THE MUTANTS in that whole stupid mess, including Moon Girl, who was the one who built the machine to destroy the cloud!

Does anyone have that page of Emma lecturing Luke Cage? Is that really a real thing that exists?

it was a really bad idea just play nzi with Hydra. The resistence could really use some mutants, the decision to not was really dumb. And Emma attacking and kidnapping some members of the O5 was even more mind bloggling.

I didn't remembered Beast doing that, writers really love to write him irredeemable. He even lived with the Inhumans to find a cure to terrigen, so he being racist is really weird. This is the worse thing he ever did, turn on his friends to nazis
I found this page, not sure if it is this one

[ExodusCloak]

it was a really bad idea just play nzi with Hydra. The resistence could really use some mutants, the decision to not was really dumb. And Emma attacking and kidnapping some members of the O5 was even more mind bloggling.

I didn't remembered Beast doing that, writers really love to write him irredeemable. He even lived with the Inhumans to find a cure to terrigen, so he being racist is really weird. This is the worse thing he ever did, turn on his friends to nazis
I found this page, not sure if it is this one

That page is innocuous, there is actually nothing on that page that is a "lecture on discrimination". Talk about reaching.

As for IvX Emma had a breakdown. I've seen the same suspects on these use strong female characters going mad as sexist writing yet are happy to use it on characters who they dislike.

Its fairly clear in Death of X that Emma's heart broke ans went insane. Last issue of IvX she was suicidal, she even wants death in that last issue. Emma was written as co-dependent on Scott for a very long time. Only sure of whether she is strong enough to resist her dark urges when hiding safe in Scott's mind. That era gave some goos stories but it kept Emma stagnant she really needed to grow beyond that crutch. And I think Hickman and Duggan has done that.

A huge part of her character revolves around getting herself into situations where she ends of surviving while everyone dies around her. Hell they keep using her in Dystopian future stories in non X-line books. Cyclops died while she some how lived again. Same in Genosha, same in Old Man Logan same in Gen X, same in New X-men

As for Secret Empire, Emma was actually pivitol in bringing Hydra down by biding her time. A Hydra with if I remember correctly their own Nazi Thor.

She also saved the universe in Secret Wars

As for Cyclops, he was the most hated character on these boards circa the end of Brubakers run. You want to know what turned the most ardent Cyclops hater on his side? Marvels Avengers push and the Complex. They tried to paint Cyclops as the bad guy it backfired. Wolverine ended up looking like a hypocrite a sell out and his uninspired ongoing flopped in Comparison to Gillens work. Combine that with the Fox sabotage and Cyclops popularity was an unintentional side effect of Marvels attempt to crush the X-men

[BroHomo]

As for Cyclops, he was the most hated character on these boards circa the end of Brubakers run. You want to know what turned the most ardent Cyclops hater on his side? Marvels Avengers push and the Complex. They tried to paint Cyclops as the bad guy it backfired. Wolverine ended up looking like a hypocrite a sell out and his uninspired ongoing flopped in Comparison to Gillens work. Combine that with the Fox sabotage and Cyclops popularity was an unintentional side effect of Marvels attempt to crush the X-men

This is true

[nandes]

Emma conversations are dangerous around here in my experience. She's done some really awful **** and her fans are just 'bad writing doesn't count'. Worldwide mind control, mass bombing, capitulating to Nazi's....The Nazi one is hilarious because of how often she's on the 'mutants are superior' camp, and apparently Hydra was so scary she had no choice but to give in without a fight. And in the climax Magneto showing up is treated like 'welp, its over now!'. Hell, Hydra only lasts as long as it did because it kept heroes away, either through the planet shield or the darkforce dome. As soon as those drop its all over.

And then there's Beast (presumably not mind controlled) leading a bunch of mutants into turning the Secret Warriors over to Hydra while being racist to them. Said Inhuman members of the Secret Warriors include most of the Inhumans who SIDED WITH THE MUTANTS in that whole stupid mess, including Moon Girl, who was the one who built the machine to destroy the cloud!

All the other hero forces were down and she turned on Hydra when she actually could win.

These same Inhumans had just tried to kill the X-Men in cold blood by blowing up their plane while they were all inside it.

Back before Emma led the X-men they fought people like Nazis and stood up against genocide, but not on Frost's watch.

She fought them when it was the ideal time to do it. There's no need to distort the narrative

[baxer]

All the other hero forces were down and she turned on Hydra when she actually could win.

These same Inhumans had just tried to kill the X-Men in cold blood by blowing up their plane while they were all inside it.



She fought them when it was the ideal time to do it. There's no need to distort the narrative

After the heroes did the hard work and she tortured millions on New Tian LOL really convenient

and of course they tried to blow the airplane, the x-men were with nazis, what you expected

[nandes]

After the heroes did the hard work and she tortured millions on New Tian LOL really convenient

and of course they tried to blow the airplane, the x-men were with nazis, what you expected

They were not "with the nazis". They had a peace treaty. Mutants were outright banned in Hydra territory and New Tian was the only place they were safe. And Emma had a plan against them behind their backs.

That was also not the reason for why that happened. They were frustrated because the X-Men treated them with reservations since IvX had just happened and Quake took a shot at them because she was pissed.