Speaking of Bette, she goes by Hawkfire or Flamebird nowadays?
Speaking of Bette, she goes by Hawkfire or Flamebird nowadays?
A completely new character that originated the role, or at least a version of it. Her relationship with a the role of Batgirl establishes enough to justify her inclusion at least some capacity. There's a lot of overlap with all these characters in general, as that comes with the role, but Bette at least has a unique claim. Like i said im not really even for this idea, but it'd be an odd precedent to gatekeep it from Bette.
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If it's still a name she used while paralyzed and is basically doing the same thing so I don't think it's disingenuous for her to still use it.
I think the question is just how you balance someone who is nominally an active hero with a few other active heroes she is now acting in a supporting role too. Go for Peter Parker in Marvel Action Spider-Man?
It's funny you mention her. I'm looking at the teaser for her Batwoman and she seems to act more like a Batgirl.Ryan Wilder - Batwoman: newest member with the least experience still finding her footing. She'll start off as more of the heavy of the group, the hot-head brawler, but that'll start to be more refined as she starts to expand her niche into something more unique.
Ya isn't that kind of backwards. If Oracle was a triumph over a tragic incident, then wouldn't needing the damage to be Oracle undercut that.
the niche of Oracle was that she couldn't physically be in the field, so she found a new way to help. if she had became active again and was going by Oracle, sure the that would feel more like a natural progression, but once she discarded Oracle in favor of being Batgirl again the identity no longer holds the same weight. going back to it now feels like a cheap way to ape off of the emotional complexity of becoming and coming into her place as Oracle while removing the consequence of what happened. Barbara Gordon in a Bat suit doing backflips as an able-bodied Oracle is antithetical to the point of the differently-abled hero niche that made Oracle compelling; it's like making Batman a metahuman with bat powers.
"hey kids, no matter what you can still be a hero...but if you wanna be a REAL hero you need all them limbs up and working, yerrd? so I hope you have a connect with a super effective miracle surgery"
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Despite *whatever* Bette was saving Batman and Robin and the original Batwoman
long before most of the others on this list.
We keep saying 'untrained' but I say, you're not really looking.
She came to Gotham as Betty/Bat-girl, already with some moves, no doubt because she was rich and given lessons in athletics, Tennis, etc.
Batwoman, Kathy trained her.
Though not specifically shown, Batman must have certainly given her training.
He would never have let her ride with them if he didn't.
Bette has been at the wrong end of a plot device for most of her career, so it was sad that her update into Batwoman first volume downplayed any/most of her Titans or previous history.
You will just have to go with what we know, and it does not make her unworthy.
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I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
She triumphed over it yet it is what defined her and her niche. That doesn't make sense. Regardless of this perceived message, that somehow every other DC character is immune from. Needing to be differently-abled or the damage to be Oracle, turns Oracle into a damaged persona. Its not a triumph over it if it is what is apparently now necessary for Oracle to exist. The point is she doesn't need to be doing backflips regardless if she can or can not even do them.
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"Everything doesn't have to be about fear. There's room in our line of work for hope, too"- Stephanie Brown, Batgirl Vol 3 #5
"Quit? Like hell I will"- Bette Kane, Beast Boy #3
"Everything doesn't have to be about fear. There's room in our line of work for hope, too"- Stephanie Brown, Batgirl Vol 3 #5
"Quit? Like hell I will"- Bette Kane, Beast Boy #3
about 60 years ago, in an era that falls mostly under "we don't speak about it", and with a paper thin characterisation.
On top of she appeared only in very few issues back than, had not many appearances since than and her ever being Batgirl was allready erased from continuity roughly 35 years ago.
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