Does SHIELD Still Exist After Secret Empire?

[king of hybrids]

At the risk of opening a can of worms that might be better closed, what does Perlmutter have to do with this? I thought that was more to do with tensions between Marvel Studios under Kevin Feige and Marvel Television as headed by Jeph Loeb.

As far as I understand it Loeb/Marvel TV wanted it to die off years before it did, but ABC kept renewing it

Also something about people thinking the Framework arc being a better Hydra takeover than Secret Empire somehow

[Huntsman Spider]

As far as I understand it Loeb/Marvel TV wanted it to die off years before it did, but ABC kept renewing it

Also something about people thinking the Framework arc being a better Hydra takeover than Secret Empire somehow

It was, at least in the sense that it was unequivocal about HYDRA basically being rebranded Nazis, whereas Secret Empire was trying to have it both ways with HYDRA allegedly distancing itself from its Nazi roots, but retaining the same tactics, methods, and even core ideologies.

That said, speaking of S.H.I.E.L.D., anyone read the Civil War issue of Marvel Snapshots that came out this week?

[MacrossPlus]

I read a review for it. They said it was meh

[rpmaluki]

As far as I understand it Loeb/Marvel TV wanted it to die off years before it did, but ABC kept renewing it

Also something about people thinking the Framework arc being a better Hydra takeover than Secret Empire somehow

No, for years they thought they would be canceled, pushing until S4. S5 was when the writers thought would be the end, they got their 100 episode and wrote a legitimate series finale with Coulson's death. However, they got a last second series renewal and then another one after that which saw them come up with different ways to bring back Coulson. S7 was a second ending to the show.

[Huntsman Spider]

I read a review for it. They said it was meh

I read the comic myself, and it wasn't so bad, though given that it was set during Civil War, the writer went full-tilt on S.H.I.E.L.D. as a bunch of fascists.

[jackolover]

It was, at least in the sense that it was unequivocal about HYDRA basically being rebranded Nazis, whereas Secret Empire was trying to have it both ways with HYDRA allegedly distancing itself from its Nazi roots, but retaining the same tactics, methods, and even core ideologies.

That said, speaking of S.H.I.E.L.D., anyone read the Civil War issue of Marvel Snapshots that came out this week?

Yes, I started a thread on the Snapshot CW issue.

[jackolover]

I read the comic myself, and it wasn't so bad, though given that it was set during Civil War, the writer went full-tilt on S.H.I.E.L.D. as a bunch of fascists.

Not wrong there Huntsman. This issue would have fit into the event books, and perhaps because of the sympathetic necessity of Clyde Dobronski.

[The Cool Thatguy]

And making Coulson a willing agent of Mephisto (and implied to have murder at least one of the other AoS characters) was a hint that SHIELD was staying down for a while

I understand it might, like what happened to the Inhumans, be a result of Perlmutter being unhappy with AoS

Who was Coulson implied to have killed?

...damn Aaron

[The Cool Thatguy]

It was, at least in the sense that it was unequivocal about HYDRA basically being rebranded Nazis, whereas Secret Empire was trying to have it both ways with HYDRA allegedly distancing itself from its Nazi roots, but retaining the same tactics, methods, and even core ideologies.

That said, speaking of S.H.I.E.L.D., anyone read the Civil War issue of Marvel Snapshots that came out this week?

Yeah, this.

"Totally not Nazis! But we have our own Hydra concentration camps, Hydra youth, what have you!"

[Huntsman Spider]

Yes, I started a thread on the Snapshot CW issue.

Not wrong there Huntsman. This issue would have fit into the event books, and perhaps because of the sympathetic necessity of Clyde Dobronski.

Thanks, I posted to that thread, too, just before this, and yeah, I'd think the original Civil War might have been better served with a more humanizing element inside S.H.I.E.L.D. as part of that event. Of course, since the whole point of Civil War was to brutally allegorize how post-9/11 America had willfully exchanged liberty for security, or the perception thereof . . . that would likely be why we didn't get that in the first place.

Who was Coulson implied to have killed?

...damn Aaron

I don't think the issue ever confirmed who it was Coulson killed.

Yeah, this.

"Totally not Nazis! But we have our own Hydra concentration camps, Hydra youth, what have you!"

Exactly. That was one of the better reasons to be pissed about Secret Empire, in my humble opinion. If it was gonna be an allegory for the rise of fascism in America and use villains tied to a Nazi-spawned terrorist organization, it should have committed to that.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I don't think the issue ever confirmed who it was Coulson killed..

What issue was this? Damn, someone's gonna have to do a fix job when Aaron finally leaves

[The Cool Thatguy]

Exactly. That was one of the better reasons to be pissed about Secret Empire, in my humble opinion. If it was gonna be an allegory for the rise of fascism in America and use villains tied to a Nazi-spawned terrorist organization, it should have committed to that.

That, and lets not forget how the force field around the earth was treated as analogous to Trump's stupid border wall.

One's a racist waste of money, the other is actually a good idea when surrounded by fictional enemies and invasions twice a month.

[Huntsman Spider]

That, and lets not forget how the force field around the earth was treated as analogous to Trump's stupid border wall.

One's a racist waste of money, the other is actually a good idea when surrounded by fictional enemies and invasions twice a month.

Yeah, maybe, though I recall an earlier story arc where it was the aliens that wanted to cordon Earth off from the rest of the universe because they were sick of Earth's superheroes messing things up for them.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, maybe, though I recall an earlier story arc where it was the aliens that wanted to cordon Earth off from the rest of the universe because they were sick of Earth's superheroes messing things up for them.

They wanted to do the entire system (Titan included, for example) AND dump all their criminals on earth, while earth was infected with an Ego spore.

Little different situation, that

[Snoop Dogg]

Yeah, this.

"Totally not Nazis! But we have our own Hydra concentration camps, Hydra youth, what have you!"

that's the point
they're not literally nazis because there was a plot thread about overthrowing red skull
and then they do all the nazi stuff anyway
that is the point that every stevil comic hammered in repeatedly
that stevil thinks he is better but he's not