Current Marvel writer that you would want to take over after Hickman?

[Triniking1234]

She wasn't back in here Comes Tomorrow, IDK why people try to Gaslight people.

Disagreeing with someone is neither "aggression" nor "gas-lighting".

[baxer]

Again I LITERALLY didn't disagree with your sexism comment and only pointed to the fact that some of Morrison's work isn't heteronormative and mainstream Marvel comics in 2000 probably wouldn't be jumping up and down to add queer representation. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with Morrison fans but you're the one coming off as aggressive.

The agressive comment wasn't exactly for you, but for people that dismiss serious problems as a laughing matter.

In what moments I said to get queer representation? I know Jurgens introduced a gay chaacters on his x-men run on 90s and Rucka got gay characters on Batman in 2000s. There wasn't a marvel editorial rule saying gay characters couldn't exist.
A run can be not heteronormative while not having queer representation.

Disagreeing with someone is neither "aggression" nor "gas-lighting".

It was pure lies. She was dead, you know she was dead.

[SiegePerilous02]

She wasn't back in here Comes Tomorrow, IDK why people try to Gaslight people.

She is literally alive in the Here Comes Tomorrow timeline when she emerges from the Phoenix Egg and then ascends to the White Hot Room.
It's not gaslighting when it is right there for all to see. Not emerging from the Phoenix egg in the present after the run by different authors is not the same as Morrison not establishing that she can't be permanently killed. She died, and then she came back to life.

It's why her codename is "Phoenix"

[baxer]

She is literally alive in the Here Comes Tomorrow timeline when she emerges from the Phoenix Egg and then ascends to the White Hot Room.
It's not gaslighting when it is right there for all to see. Not emerging from the Phoenix egg in the present after the run by different authors is not the same as Morrison not establishing that she can't be permanently killed.

That was on future stuff, again she was dead on present so it is pure Gaslight

[ExodusCloak]

Grant Morrison's New X-Men being "sexist and heteronormative" just sounds like "They didn't write want I wanted".



Doom Patrol was under Vertigo so that's where the leeway came from.

This precisely, going to meditate on Ayishat Akanbi

[Triniking1234]

That was on future stuff, again she was dead on present so it is pure Gaslight

No one was disagreeing that she was dead in the present. I was disagreeing with the "Morrison fridged Jean" part.

[FFJamie94]

That was on future stuff, again she was dead on present so it is pure Gaslight

Dude. Don't
This isn't Gaslighting...

[baxer]

No one was disagreeing that she was dead in the present. I was disagreeing with the "Morrison fridged Jean" part.

Well he killed her for Scott benefit, so it is fridging. You said she was alive, don't backtrack

[Kingdom X]

The agressive comment wasn't exactly for you, but for people that dismiss serious problems as a laughing matter.

In what moments I said to get queer representation? I know Jurgens introduced a gay chaacters on his x-men run on 90s and Rucka got gay characters on Batman in 2000s. There wasn't a marvel editorial rule saying gay characters couldn't exist.
A run can be not heteronormative while not having queer representation.

I'm kind of confused as to what you mean by the run being heteronormative then...

The definition of the word is "denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation."

How do you have a run that isn't heteronormative without including queer characters?

[SiegePerilous02]

That was on future stuff, again she was dead on present so it is pure Gaslight

Nobody disagrees that she was physically dead in the present, so there is no gaslight.

The disagreement comes from it being a pure fridging, since when that happens the female character stops being a present as an active participant in the story. Such is not the case for Jean in Here Comes Tomorrow. It was established she cannot be permanently killed and she was key in defeating the run's big bad. Subsequent writers not seizing on the Phoenix Egg concept isn't on Morrison.

Saying she's both alive and dead isn't backtracking. This the Phoenix we're talking about. She lives outside of time and space and can re-manifest whenever she wants. Or more accurately, whenever editorial wants.

[baxer]

Nobody disagrees that she was physically dead in the present, so there is no gaslight.

The disagreement comes from it being a pure fridging, since when that happens the female character stops being a present as an active participant in the story. Such is not the case for Jean in Here Comes Tomorrow. It was established she cannot be permanently killed and she was key in defeating the run's big bad. Subsequent writers not seizing on the Phoenix Egg concept isn't on Morrison.

Saying she's both alive and dead isn't backtracking. This the Phoenix we're talking about. She lives outside of time and space and can re-manifest whenever she wants. Or more accurately, whenever editorial wants.

Everybody knows that Jean on the future was alive and that matters zero to the fridging. She still did stuff on future but it was limited to come back to present to make Scott stop feeling pain and accept he is a X-men leader. So it was all about him, just make it more fridging

it is back trcking because eeryone knows where it matters she isn't alive. Future isn't set on stone and the here


comes tomorrow future doesn't exist.

I'm kind of confused as to what you mean by the run being heteronormative then...

The definition of the word is "denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation."

How do you have a run that isn't heteronormative without including queer characters?

By not having Gender traditional roles and beats, no fridging of female characters.


Now i'm serious, I won't discuss this anymore. Morrison is retiring from mainstream comics so he won't come back to write X-men.

[SiegePerilous02]

Everybody knows that Jean on the future was alive and that matters zero to the fridging. She still did stuff on future but it was limited to come back to present to make Scott stop feeling pain and accept he is a X-men leader. So it was all about him, just make it more fridging

it is back trcking because eeryone knows where it matters she isn't alive. Future isn't set on stone and the here comes tomorrow future doesn't exist

Jean had been ascending to Godhood throughout the entire run, this was a natural conclusion to the arc they had set for her. it was as much about her as it was about Scott, if not more so about her. He loses a bit of his agency since she was the one who psychically nudged him to accept Emma's offer and change the future.

Jean not coming back in subsequent runs is incidental to Morrison's run as they had no creative control in any of that. That future doesn't exist because Jean herself averted it, which was the point of the story (a homage to "Days of Future Past"). But nobody says DotP doesn't matter because the future isn't set in stone.

[Triniking1234]

Well he killed her for Scott benefit, so it is fridging. You said she was alive, don't backtrack

What? Morrison had her hatch from the Phoenix Egg that Sublime Beast had and when she regained her senses, she ascended with the Quentin Quire looking Phoenix and the others instead of returning to the present. Other books said Jean was dead and the Phoenix was still around looking for a new host which ignored Morrison's Jean and Phoenix are one being plot.

[baxer]

What? Morrison had her hatch from the Phoenix Egg that Sublime Beast had and when she regained her senses, she ascended with the Quentin Quire looking Phoenix and the others instead of returning to the present. Other books said Jean was dead and the Phoenix was still around looking for a new host which ignored Morrison's Jean and Phoenix are one being plot.

Again it is on the future and for the benefit of scott not Jean. If he didn't wanted her fridged he would had Jean alive on the present

[SiegePerilous02]

Again it is on the future and for the benefit of scott not Jean. If he didn't wanted her fridged he would had Jean alive on the present

No, Morrison should be able to tell the story they wanted. Other writers ignoring what they blatantly set up with Jean and the Phoenix is not on them