New WW Creative Team: Becky Cloonan, Michael Conrad and Travis Moore

[Alpha]

Creating a deity that is tied to a real life religion isn't any better. They'd have been better off leaving Hindu mythology out of it entirely.

What's the difference between that and creating a brand new fictional catholic angel / saint?

[Gaius]

It should be noted that Rama Kushna isn't an actual Goddess in Hindu Mythology and is a character DC came up with for Deadman.

Yeah, I came across that recently when I was also doing some digging into Deadman's backlog/history. I figured I should have guessed given it's comics.

That's part of Deadman's character. He's meant to be a working class average joe cursed with a terrible power. Possessing others is the only way he can ever meaningfully interact with anyone. I recently finished reading the Neal Adams series, which I checked out largely because of Deadman's appearance in WW and it's really quite good and it really sets up the character's internal struggle really well while he solves his own murder.

There was a great Christmas special where Deadman possesses a guy just so he can enjoy Christmas but leaves the dudes body once he realizes that he is robbing the guy of his life. Luckily he's comforted by the Pre Crisis Supergirl.

Some writers have tried to push his character further into darkness by having him have sex in a possessed body but imo, it's character derailment on par with Blood Knight WW. Boston only really works if he has a core decency to him as he tries to do the right thing in a black and gray world while using powers that are more of a curse than a gift.

Yeah, I think the main thing that kind of rubbed the wrong way here was Diana just never commenting on it. Though like I said, it doesn't necessarily ruin the run for me atm since I have been enjoying Deadman's presence.

Therein lies another can of worms, I'm sure...

Anyways, really liked #782. I can't remember the last time a WW creative team kept me engaged for so many consecutive issues (Simone or Azzarello probably?).

Rucka for me though I'd say they're definitely my favorite new writers on WW since Simone.

[SJNeal]

I don't see what's problematic about inventing an Hindu goddess. There are hundreds of them right? People often criticize how western media mischaracterizes other cultures, wouldn't using an actual deity in this manner be much more problematic?

Creating a deity that is tied to a real life religion isn't any better. They'd have been better off leaving Hindu mythology out of it entirely.

The latter is kinda what I was getting at.

The Greco/Roman pantheons represent a dead religion, whereas Hinduism is alive and well. But we live and learn; Rama Kushna was invented in the 60's, and I think most modern writers would know better.

[Alpha]

The latter is kinda what I was getting at.

The Greco/Roman pantheons represent a dead religion, whereas Hinduism is alive and well. But we live and learn; Rama Kushna was invented in the 60's, and I think most modern writers would know better.

But again, there are hundreds of hindu gods. How is it different from creating a new catholic angel or saint?

[John Venus]

LOL
Deadman will have to change his whole schtick. I cannot imagine a live-action version of Deadman working today. The thinkpieces will be endless and relentless.

I think it can work if they portray Boston having a strong moral code and not doing anything too skeevey with his powers. Keep it as close to the Neal Adams stuff as possible.

Therein lies another can of worms, I'm sure...

Not really. The fact that it's similar but not the same thing is perfect out for DC. It allows them to define Rama Kushna however they want without angering any actual religious people or alienating people who hate said religion. Same thing that Lucas did by borrowing from Buddhism to create the Jedi for Star Wars or Frank Herbert borrowing from Middle Eastern culture to create the world of Dune but ultimately letting it be its own thing.

Creating a deity that is tied to a real life religion isn't any better. They'd have been better off leaving Hindu mythology out of it entirely.

Yeah, it's better not to tie Rama Kushna to any RL religion at all and just let it be it's own thing.

[Agent Z]

But again, there are hundreds of hindu gods.

And Rama Kushna isn't one of them.

How is it different from creating a new catholic angel or saint?

For starters, people don't worship angels or saints.

And that stuff also gets criticized when it's done.

[Alpha]

And Rama Kushna isn't one of them.

For starters, people don't worship angels or saints.

I'm assuming you don't know much about catholic religion, which is perfectly fine.

When the roman empire adopted Christianity they mostly forced out all ofher religiona in Europe, but they allowed a few deities to be kept in the form of Saints. The Goddess Demeter became St Demetrios. The irish goddess Brigid became St Brigid. Santiago de Compostela is very venerated in my country, and there are huge pilgrimages centered around him. He was adopted from former religions and turned into a saint.

Despite this fact, I don't think anyone would be bothered by me creating a fictional Saint amongst the hundreds that already exist in the real world. What's the difference between that and me creating a new Hindu goddess? (And I probably aggree that Rama Kushna doesn't have to be associated with Hindu religion, but I also don't see a problem with her current state)

[Agent Z]

I'm assuming you don't know much about catholic religion, which is perfectly fine.

When the roman empire adopted Christianity they mostly forced out all ofher religiona in Europe, but they allowed a few deities to be kept in the form of Saints. The Goddess Demeter became St Demetrios. The irish goddess Brigid became St Brigid. Santiago de Compostela is very venerated in my country, and there are huge pilgrimages centered around him. He was adopted from former religions and turned into a saint.

Saints are venerated, not worshipped.

Despite this fact, I don't think anyone would be bothered by me creating a fictional Saint amongst the hundreds that already exist in the real world.

You'd be wrong.

Back in 2019, DC cancelled a comic starring Jesus as a superhero before the first issue even hit shelves. This idea that no one has an issue with liberties taken with any religion is rather naive.

[Alpha]

Saints are venerated, not worshipped.

And what do you think the difference is between a saint in Catholic religion and an hindu god amongst the hundreds. I'm pretty sure that they are treated in the same manner.

Back in 2019, DC cancelled a comic starring Jesus as a superhero before the first issue even hit shelves. This idea that no one has an issue with liberties taken with any religion is rather naive.

Yes, that's an actual deity. We are discussing fictional ones

[Agent Z]

And what do you think the difference is between a saint in Catholic religion and an hindu god amongst the hundreds. They are treated in the same manner.

I highly doubt a Hindu and a Catholic would see it the same way, for starters.

Yes, that's an actual deity. We are discussing fictional ones

Which are connected to real life religions. Again, we would not be having this conversation if Rama Kushna were tied to a religion that was wholly fictional.

[Alpha]

I highly doubt a Hindu and a Catholic would see it the same way, for starters.

and what do you think the difference is?

[Sebastianne]

they finally fixed the mistake that had the villain's name

[SJNeal]

I was kinda holding out hope that the art was wrong and we really were gonna get Sam Scudder...

[Dr. Poison]

they finally fixed the mistake that had the villain's name

Thank you! Glad to see they fixed the mistake.

[Goldrake]

I'm assuming you don't know much about catholic religion, which is perfectly fine.

When the roman empire adopted Christianity they mostly forced out all ofher religiona in Europe, but they allowed a few deities to be kept in the form of Saints. The Goddess Demeter became St Demetrios. The irish goddess Brigid became St Brigid. Santiago de Compostela is very venerated in my country, and there are huge pilgrimages centered around him. He was adopted from former religions and turned into a saint.

Despite this fact, I don't think anyone would be bothered by me creating a fictional Saint amongst the hundreds that already exist in the real world. What's the difference between that and me creating a new Hindu goddess? (And I probably aggree that Rama Kushna doesn't have to be associated with Hindu religion, but I also don't see a problem with her current state)

wrong on all counts, Catholics don't worship angels or saints, not even Mary, they worship God. St. Demetrious was a martyr often linked with St. George and not the goddess demetria who was transformed into saint. Romans named their children for gods and if those children became christian saints it had nothing to do with pagan gods becoming christians. BTW I think this Out of subject.