New WW Creative Team: Becky Cloonan, Michael Conrad and Travis Moore

[SiegePerilous02]

I'm generally in favor of Diana being only the first of a whole new generation of Amazons. In the Golden Age, there were other Amazon daughters formed from clay, right? So any girlfriends she has (and I want her to have some) would be from that generation growing up alongside her. Kasia and Mala would be part of this generation. Nubia would be too, possibly as Philippus's daughter so they can be step sisters.

Other Amazons could decide they want a daughter a little later on so Donna could have some around her age to play with too.

[Gaius]

Wrong thread.

[Alpha]

I would disagree with that; Diana was created from clay to be the only child of Themyscira. And many times, she was basically raised by everyone on the island. I don't like the idea of Diana being romantically or sexually involved with any amazon because, in this case, it does actually come across as grooming. I don't say this lightly, I know the current trend of conservatives using "grooming" as a blanket term to attack any and all LGBT+ people, especially trans people. But a singular child born on an island of all women and getting into a relationship with one doesn't seem odd to anyone else? What if there are straight amazons that use "toys" just for pleasure? Sexual liberation is a part of amazon identity, and it should be explored, but it should be open not confined to just bisexuality or lesbianism.

I've been saying for quite a while that many women should have arrived on the island over the millenia and brcome amazons, and last year they established that as canon with them reinvarnating through the Well of Souls. So Diana would date someone young that arrived on the island just as Diana became a teenager. This person would be new and intriguing to her, and would being the allure of having experiences in the outside world and the need for Diana to guide her in this Paradise Island.

But Diana should be the only one born on the island, the inly child of the amazons. Unless you wanna make someone be created today as a plot point.

[Koriand'r]

The issue with Diana being straight - and the reason why Greg Rucka made her bi (other than him being the king of allies) - is because if she’s not romantically or sexually attracted to women, Themyscira fundamentally can’t be her paradise. It removes all of the weight of that sacrifice and inherently builds the allure of men into her motivation. It also inevitably pushes Steve as her motivation for leaving, even if the pretense is “it’s Ares” - it’s why George Perez chose to age Steve up and have Diana repeatedly think “he’s old enough to be my father” so the reader wouldn’t even get any ideas.

Her being ace would serve the same purpose but literally desexualizing her would kinda be an insult to her origins…

And speaking of that, some flavor of queerness has been built into Diana since day 1. GA WW comics really did everything they could to be homoerotic considering the editorial standards of the ‘40s and there was a whole moral panic over her promoting lesbianism. Doesn’t mean she HAS to be gay/bi but does mean it’s built into her fabric in a way that it isn’t for other characters.

I hate that shit! It's SO stereotypical and says you HAVE to be a product of your enviornment. (If you're from an island of lesbians you MUST enjoy same sex relations too, regardless of all evidence to the contrary.) It's very closed minded, backwards thinking and NOT progressive at all.

[WonderScott]

I enjoyed the story overall, but some of the elements didn’t resonate with me as much as they could because of my own biases of what I’d like to see. (So, no fault of the Cloonrads.)

Diana’s agency and directness and formidableness has been a breath of fresh air in this run. Her verbal takedown of Doctor Psycho is another example of this.

It’s been great to see Psycho back for a full arc, but I’ll admit I miss a bit of the Perez version of the character. To me, Psycho should be a terrifying presence. The whole idea of what his character is about terrifies me. But, this was fun nonetheless.

As with Psycho, I’d say similar things about Doctor Poison. The Luke version of Doctor Poison also terrifies me and I like their vibe.

I’m glad Dolos is back and probably still lurking around. He appears to be someone that could be very confounding for Diana in terms of his deceptive and physical capabilities.

Like Diana, Etta, Siggy and Steve are in very capable hands with the Cloonrads - it’s great to experience Diana with well-developed allies and friends.

I like the character revealed as the Management, but am underwhelmed by the reveal. The history and creation of Villainy Inc is significant for it’s time and membership. I”d have preferred honoring that and utilizing Diana’s women and non-binary foes for membership. We rarely get to see Diana’s foes together, play off one another and develop friendships (or acrimonious relationships) with one another. But, that’s just me.

Lastly, sign me up for a Siggy and Steve or Siggy, Steve and Diana romance. Done right and in comparison to Diana, Etta and Siggy, it could be really interesting to read and experience Steve exploring his sexuality. Just thinking about it makes see the value of showing a character go through a myriad of feelings and actions to be good with where they land and who they are. Diana, Etta and Siggy would all have really different takes on it from their experiences. And, if Steve ended up being bi and with Diana, I can see them bonding over it as individuals and/or a romantic pairing.

[Mel Dyer]

While I'm spoiling for the Wonder Woman comic's cast to take on one more dynamic, female regular [Dr. Julia!], I am so grateful for and thrilled with the cast, we have. I'm also looking forward to seeing it grow, to eventually include all of the wild, colorful characters, we've grown to love, over the years, in comics and on TV.

It is a GREAT cast, the promise of which stands on par, with the classic casts of the other popular DC Comics. It faces a great, new enemy, in JANUS, ..surely one of the best crafted super-villains in the DC Universe! That said, there's still the matter of Siggy and what I hope to see happen, with him.

The Wonder Woman comic has had some very promising male LGBTQA heroes, created in and for the comic! When Gail Simone gave us proudly and openly gay Olympian, with his schway cool, three-eyed, flying elephant, I cheered him on, ..until he got the skinny BF and the porn mansion, deserving WAY better. When the New 52 gave us way cool, gunslinging, polysexual Eros, I cheered him on! When Kelly McConnick gave us transgender, warrior love-god, Atlantiades, I cheered him [That was his pronoun!] on and applauded that he was part of what looked like the promise of a classic cast, in an iconic, new town - Ocean City - until Cheetah killed everybody and blew up Diana's house. Steve Orlando straight-up changed Prince Jason, Wonder Woman's wonder-brother, a confirmed hetero ho-bag, who banged GRAIL [Jeeziz!], into some Cyprian Greek dude's BF, ..and I cheered him on!

I think most of us, all orientations, cheered these cats on, ..because they were cool.

So, when a WW creative team, the current one, introduces one [ONE!] famously, classically and decidely straight ex-husband of Valkyries, forgive me, if I don't understand why we can't all cheer him on, just like we did the others, ..straight and just as he is.

Basically, as hetero male Wonders go, it's been Rama, Lennox and Siegfried; that's it. No, I don't see his same-sex friendship with Steve, as being less than a romance or having to be a prelude to anything sexual. No, I cannot and won't accept that their same-sex friendship, as is, is hurtful or disenfranchising anybody. I champion diversity and inclusion, by cheering on the inclusion of them, ..as straight! I cheer them on, as is, just as I cheered on Achilles, Eros, Atlantiades and Prince Jason, ..and I do so, without apology. I don't understand why we all can't accept Siggy, as he is...

Straight as death and taxes. Got no problem, with him staying that way, either! If you feel the same way, cheer him on.

The Wonderverse is big enough for fans of all creeds and orientations. Let's celebrate that diversity, together.

[Primal Slayer]

While I'm spoiling for the Wonder Woman comic's cast to take on one more dynamic, female regular [Dr. Julia!], I am so grateful for and thrilled with the cast, we have. I'm also looking forward to seeing it grow, to eventually include all of the wild, colorful characters, we've grown to love, over the years, in comics and on TV.

It is a GREAT cast, the promise of which stands on par, with the classic casts of the other popular DC Comics. It faces a great, new enemy, in JANUS, ..surely one of the best crafted super-villains in the DC Universe! That said, there's still the matter of Siggy and what I hope to see happen, with him.

The Wonder Woman comic has had some very promising male LGBTQA heroes, created in and for the comic! When Gail Simone gave us proudly and openly gay Olympian, with his schway cool, three-eyed, flying elephant, I cheered him on, ..until he got the skinny BF and the porn mansion, deserving WAY better. When the New 52 gave us way cool, gunslinging, polysexual Eros, I cheered him on! When Kelly McConnick gave us transgender, warrior love-god, Atlantiades, I cheered him [That was his pronoun!] on and applauded that he was part of what looked like the promise of a classic cast, in an iconic, new town - Ocean City - until Cheetah killed everybody and blew up Diana's house. Steve Orlando straight-up changed Prince Jason, Wonder Woman's wonder-brother, a confirmed hetero ho-bag, who banged GRAIL [Jeeziz!], into some Cyprian Greek dude's BF, ..and I cheered him on!

I think most of us, all orientations, cheered these cats on, ..because they were cool.

So, when a WW creative team, the current one, introduces one [ONE!] famously, classically and decidely straight ex-husband of Valkyries, forgive me, if I don't understand why we can't all cheer him on, just like we did the others, ..straight and just as he is.

Basically, as hetero male Wonders go, it's been Rama, Lennox and Siegfried; that's it. No, I don't see his same-sex friendship with Steve, as being less than a romance or having to be a prelude to anything sexual. No, I cannot and won't accept that their same-sex friendship, as is, is hurtful or disenfranchising anybody. I champion diversity and inclusion, by cheering on the inclusion of them, ..as straight! I cheer them on, as is, just as I cheered on Achilles, Eros, Atlantiades and Prince Jason, ..and I do so, without apology. I don't understand why we all can't accept Siggy, as he is...

Straight as death and taxes. Got no problem, with him staying that way, either! If you feel the same way, cheer him on.

The Wonderverse is big enough for fans of all creeds and orientations. Let's celebrate that diversity, together.

No one wasnt cheering Siggy on. Plenty of people have liked him and Diana together. The problem some have is you trying to act like him being married to a woman is the end all be all and its "straight or no other way!"

Sorry but there is 0 things that are saying he is 100% straight. You are trying to say you love everyone but seem to be mad at the mere notion that he could be into males and females.

Welcome to fandom where characters will get shipped together no matter what. Even if its Wincest.

[Mel Dyer]

...Welcome to fandom where characters will get shipped together no matter what. Even if its Wincest.

Fair enough.

Reading #788-90 was like watching a good, multi-episode pilot for a new WW TV show. Reintroduced some classic characters, unfolded a good story, pitting heroes against a larger-than-life villain ..and how they come together to save the day!

It wasn't written to be WWs DKR. It was intended to launch a new series...mission accomplished.

[John Venus]

I'm generally in favor of Diana being only the first of a whole new generation of Amazons. In the Golden Age, there were other Amazon daughters formed from clay, right? So any girlfriends she has (and I want her to have some) would be from that generation growing up alongside her. Kasia and Mala would be part of this generation. Nubia would be too, possibly as Philippus's daughter so they can be step sisters.

Other Amazons could decide they want a daughter a little later on so Donna could have some around her age to play with too.

All the other Amazons were created from clay. The 'souls of slain women' was a Perez invention. We do not know if there was a generation of Amazons born from clay after Diana's birth.

It would also be a good to tie in Nubia's classic origin. Say that the ritual to create an Amazons weakens too many barriers allowing Ares to kidnap Nubia and this lead to Hippolyta forbidding any more creations.

I think Donna should remain as a human adopted by the Amazons. Too many Amazon characters have special parentage.

[Primal Slayer]

All the other Amazons were created from clay. The 'souls of slain women' was a Perez invention. We do not know if there was a generation of Amazons born from clay after Diana's birth.

It would also be a good to tie in Nubia's classic origin. Say that the ritual to create an Amazons weakens too many barriers allowing Ares to kidnap Nubia and this lead to Hippolyta forbidding any more creations.

I think Donna should remain as a human adopted by the Amazons. Too many Amazon characters have special parentage.

Id like Donna to have Amazon heritage because....Cassie doesn't have Amazon heritage. Artemis doesn't have Amazon heritage. Yara is still new as hell and so far removed from Paradise Island. Nubia is currently exploring her non Amazon heritage.

Sure it makes Diana special but i think she should have had at least 1 sidekick that she can reminisce with

[Garrac]

Pretty cool number

[WonderScott]

While I'm spoiling for the Wonder Woman comic's cast to take on one more dynamic, female regular [Dr. Julia!], I am so grateful for and thrilled with the cast, we have. I'm also looking forward to seeing it grow, to eventually include all of the wild, colorful characters, we've grown to love, over the years, in comics and on TV.

It is a GREAT cast, the promise of which stands on par, with the classic casts of the other popular DC Comics. It faces a great, new enemy, in JANUS, ..surely one of the best crafted super-villains in the DC Universe! That said, there's still the matter of Siggy and what I hope to see happen, with him.

The Wonder Woman comic has had some very promising male LGBTQA heroes, created in and for the comic! When Gail Simone gave us proudly and openly gay Olympian, with his schway cool, three-eyed, flying elephant, I cheered him on, ..until he got the skinny BF and the porn mansion, deserving WAY better. When the New 52 gave us way cool, gunslinging, polysexual Eros, I cheered him on! When Kelly McConnick gave us transgender, warrior love-god, Atlantiades, I cheered him [That was his pronoun!] on and applauded that he was part of what looked like the promise of a classic cast, in an iconic, new town - Ocean City - until Cheetah killed everybody and blew up Diana's house. Steve Orlando straight-up changed Prince Jason, Wonder Woman's wonder-brother, a confirmed hetero ho-bag, who banged GRAIL [Jeeziz!], into some Cyprian Greek dude's BF, ..and I cheered him on!

I think most of us, all orientations, cheered these cats on, ..because they were cool.

So, when a WW creative team, the current one, introduces one [ONE!] famously, classically and decidely straight ex-husband of Valkyries, forgive me, if I don't understand why we can't all cheer him on, just like we did the others, ..straight and just as he is.

Basically, as hetero male Wonders go, it's been Rama, Lennox and Siegfried; that's it. No, I don't see his same-sex friendship with Steve, as being less than a romance or having to be a prelude to anything sexual. No, I cannot and won't accept that their same-sex friendship, as is, is hurtful or disenfranchising anybody. I champion diversity and inclusion, by cheering on the inclusion of them, ..as straight! I cheer them on, as is, just as I cheered on Achilles, Eros, Atlantiades and Prince Jason, ..and I do so, without apology. I don't understand why we all can't accept Siggy, as he is...

Straight as death and taxes. Got no problem, with him staying that way, either! If you feel the same way, cheer him on.

The Wonderverse is big enough for fans of all creeds and orientations. Let's celebrate that diversity, together.

It wouldn’t matter to me if Siggy ends up being straight, but my read is that the Cloonrads are dropping subtle hints that he could be bisexual or pansexual and possibly becoming interested in Steve. So, it’s more my read and reaction of the situation they seem to be developing than anything else.

[SiegePerilous02]

All the other Amazons were created from clay. The 'souls of slain women' was a Perez invention. We do not know if there was a generation of Amazons born from clay after Diana's birth.

It would also be a good to tie in Nubia's classic origin. Say that the ritual to create an Amazons weakens too many barriers allowing Ares to kidnap Nubia and this lead to Hippolyta forbidding any more creations.

I think Donna should remain as a human adopted by the Amazons. Too many Amazon characters have special parentage.

I could have sworn there were panels in the Golden Age comics, maybe in the Newspaper strip, where there were other Amazon kids both during Diana's childhood and afterward. Either the story that details the origins of the Kangas or "The Secret of the Limestone Caves" in Wonder Woman #30.

Donna should always remain an adopted Amazon, but it would be unfortunate if she grew up the only kid her age on the island. Both for her and Diana, I can't imagine growing up without other kids and only having adults you can't relate to for company

[Mel Dyer]

The Gol Age character you're recalling is Astra, Queen of Infanta, ..the first, true Wonder Girl.

She was the ruler of an other-dimensional world of superhuman children, who did not grow into adults. Astra and the other Infantan girls received Amazon training, but, I don't recall what they did with the little boys. Astra, the most capable among them, was their champion and recognized by Diana, as a trusted ally, honored with a bust in one of the Amazon temples.

Some of us would argue Etta was the first, real WG.

[HestiasHearth]

The Gol Age character you're recalling is Astra, Queen of Infanta

I swear to Gaea that I read that as "Queen of I-N-F-A-R-TA" and I was like, 'wait, what? I know that the Golden Age was whimsical and goofy AF, but damn!'