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    Were are these millions of (which we will of course we're 'not-be-able-to-quantify', thus making the questioners able to continue to think them existing is fact & state it as such) "grieving" audience members? "Grieving" enough that they wouldn't enjoy the fun/joy of a new Black Panther movie with a newly recast male Black Panther as T'Challa? That they wouldn't buy a ticket?

    Do they exist in enough numbers to matter? After saying your condolences, rest in peace, rest in power, boy what a loss, he was great, damn, etc. etc....people are resilient and move on. And if you are THAT attached to a Hollywood actor who passes that it seriously, and physically disrupts your continued existence, then you are a small, small number of people who have much greater health issues that should be looked at.

    But they diefy this actor, and make it an obvious PR stunt. I think it's because they think someone makes this mega-billions mutli-national company look good with black Americans? But it so obviously a PR stunt that to me it condescending, even racialist condescending.

    There are so many other hungry, talented black male actors that waiting for a shot and would do the audience & Marvel proud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    Not recasting T'Challa to honor Boseman seems weird. This isn't like Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker who will forever be known by one performance. T'Challa is the Black Panther in the same way Clark Kent is Superman, Bruce Wayne is Batman, and Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Yeah there are other versions of each but overall who is the OG for each? If Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker can get recast every five years I don't see why T'Challa can't.
    I think the issue is that, especially for Coogler, he was very close to Chadwick and it might be too difficult for him to process recasting the role.

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    Frontier, I do recognize that that may be influencing Coogler. I lost my best friend to this awful wuhan covid virus back in March. It is so, so hurtful to lose someone you are close with. I miss him everyday. Thankfully time & life continues and helps you heal.

    I'd encourage him and all fellow people who face this, to be brave, and continue to push forward. Make difficult decisions because in doing so you'll come out stronger in the end. We are with you.

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    While it was tragic on what happened, I think its even more tragic to let the character go away as well because of how important it has been to the African American community.

    Maybe they should use the multiverse opportunity to tell the story of a younger black panther growing up in Wakanda and how he becomes the Black Panther we know. That still imo preserves Chadwick's legacy without benching the character.

    Some may not agree but it was a huge deal for a lot of black kids to see themselves accepted and represented in such a huge way and I'd hate to just see that go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtd View Post
    Were are these millions of (which we will of course we're 'not-be-able-to-quantify', thus making the questioners able to continue to think them existing is fact & state it as such) "grieving" audience members? "Grieving" enough that they wouldn't enjoy the fun/joy of a new Black Panther movie with a newly recast male Black Panther as T'Challa? That they wouldn't buy a ticket?
    I'm not seeing any concrete numbers that the people who disagree are the majority, I'm supposed to take that on faith and that people who didn't grieve the same as them are bad people because they simply grieve differently? Anything not following a certain order is questionable and fake, they have no validity. This is why it's important to understand people who don't have the opinions as well as prioritising empathy and compassion. Do you think T'Challa or Boseman would want people policing how people grieve? I don't think so.

    Do they exist in enough numbers to matter? After saying your condolences, rest in peace, rest in power, boy what a loss, he was great, damn, etc. etc....people are resilient and move on. And if you are THAT attached to a Hollywood actor who passes that it seriously, and physically disrupts your continued existence, then you are a small, small number of people who have much greater health issues that should be looked at.
    According to Marvel they do. Based on? There are millions of people who saw Black panther and became a fan of T'Challa and there's the comic fans. Why is a celebrities death being diminished as though a national tragedy didn't happen with Boseman, it's not like the whole country if not the world didn't react massively when he passed.

    But they diefy this actor, and make it an obvious PR stunt. I think it's because they think someone makes this mega-billions mutli-national company look good with black Americans? But it so obviously a PR stunt that to me it condescending, even racialist condescending.

    There are so many other hungry, talented black male actors that waiting for a shot and would do the audience & Marvel proud!
    They're not deifying him, that's just what happens to actors on that level Marvel's reacting to Boseman's reception after Black Panther. It's not like he was an obscure actor at Marvel. Not all black Americas reacted to Boseman's death the same, and it's not like anyone here speaks for all of them. Honoring a black man who died is a PR stunt now, and racist? Not everyone who disagrees with you is an enemy who hates T'Challa.

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd View Post
    Frontier, I do recognize that that may be influencing Coogler. I lost my best friend to this awful wuhan covid virus back in March. It is so, so hurtful to lose someone you are close with. I miss him everyday. Thankfully time & life continues and helps you heal.

    I'd encourage him and all fellow people who face this, to be brave, and continue to push forward. Make difficult decisions because in doing so you'll come out stronger in the end. We are with you.
    Why is that fact overlooked by the cast and crew of Black panther, as if they're doing it to tarnish Boseman's legacy by not recasting him? Healing takes time, Boseman died recently. It hasn't even been a year. Where is this compassion for the BP fans who don't want him recast, their grieving is chided as being fake. This isn't to score points, a man died and a celebrity on the highest of levels at that. The reaction to Ledger's death being overlooked is very telling since it's being ignored as a comparison. It's shameful.

    Going by the post above, you aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicJunkie21 View Post
    While it was tragic on what happened, I think its even more tragic to let the character go away as well because of how important it has been to the African American community.

    Maybe they should use the multiverse opportunity to tell the story of a younger black panther growing up in Wakanda and how he becomes the Black Panther we know. That still imo preserves Chadwick's legacy without benching the character.

    Some may not agree but it was a huge deal for a lot of black kids to see themselves accepted and represented in such a huge way and I'd hate to just see that go.
    T'Challa is still going to be in four movies. Black viewers around the world will be able to see themselves in plenty of characters in these films.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComicJunkie21 View Post
    While it was tragic on what happened, I think its even more tragic to let the character go away as well because of how important it has been to the African American community.

    Maybe they should use the multiverse opportunity to tell the story of a younger black panther growing up in Wakanda and how he becomes the Black Panther we know. That still imo preserves Chadwick's legacy without benching the character.

    Some may not agree but it was a huge deal for a lot of black kids to see themselves accepted and represented in such a huge way and I'd hate to just see that go.
    How would it go? You recast another talented black actor and boom you keep making movies. Boom.

    As a black man myself, I'd argue that it is a bad thing if you want to use the example of the representation, the example set by the character. Having him end here and now does worse in the long run then continuing to have movies produced with a good, strong positive black male role model for young black people and any POC or whoever else identifies with T'Challa/The Black Panther, it does a disservice to them.

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    I really don't understand the mentality of not recasting T'Challa. Characters are bigger than their creators and certainly bigger than their actors. Batman actor dies? Replace and move along. Superman actor dies? Replace and move along. That's how it should be for any character.

    TBH, I'd like the entire MCU recast, except Strange and Marvel.

    And wouldn't mind Shuri taking the mantle. I don't see how that would affect Vixen. The two characters really aren't similar. Vixen's one of my favourite DC characters, but I wouldn't really care if it did affect the future movie.
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    Why is there such a push to not cast T'Challa? I loved Chadwick as BP and his passing was tragic. But I think it's unfair for other actors to say that the role is sacred and shouldn't be recast. We've had 6? 7 James Bonds? All owe their debt to Sean Connery. But even Connery praised the actors after him. Point being, there's another great actor out there who can play T'Challa.

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    Shared canon is a new experiment, on this scale (no, Tarantino's stuff doesn't count).

    I agree, he should be recast. But I think Marvel is afraid of screwing it up, thus they do what every corporation does when they are scared about screwing up...nothing.

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    I'm not sure but maybe Coogler didn't want to because he got to know Chadwick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTTT View Post
    Why is there such a push to not cast T'Challa? I loved Chadwick as BP and his passing was tragic. But I think it's unfair for other actors to say that the role is sacred and shouldn't be recast. We've had 6? 7 James Bonds? All owe their debt to Sean Connery. But even Connery praised the actors after him. Point being, there's another great actor out there who can play T'Challa.

    Its just a way more touchy thing than bond. This guy was an African American ICON. The movie was just massive. Bond had done like 5 movies or whatever. I know what you mean but I don't know he does this huge movie and dies of cancer at 43. Its just not the same as Connery walking away from the role.

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    It’s a double edged sword. While I’d love the character (T’Challa, not BP specifically) to carry on in movies/TV/whatever for the benefit of fans of the character, I personally believe that the portrayal Chadwick left us with should be laid to honorably rest with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTTT View Post
    Why is there such a push to not cast T'Challa? I loved Chadwick as BP and his passing was tragic. But I think it's unfair for other actors to say that the role is sacred and shouldn't be recast. We've had 6? 7 James Bonds? All owe their debt to Sean Connery. But even Connery praised the actors after him. Point being, there's another great actor out there who can play T'Challa.
    Bond is a bad example. Those actors left the role by choice, whereas BP's actor died after giving a performance that spoke to a LOT of people.

    Now, people are giving Marvel crap for not recasting the role. I think some of that is fair. But there's a relatively easy way around a lot of this.

    Set BP2 during the 5 Year Gap. When we know T'Challa is gone, and there is no need to explain where he is beyond the Snap. Build up Shuri, or whomever you want as the new BP for that film, exploring what it means to people now that T'Challa is gone. And by the time BP3 rolls around, if indeed it does, you've got a few more years between Chadwick Boseman's death and your new movie. At which point you can either carry on with whomever you set up in BP2, or you can recast with a little more space between the late icon and your new lead, and not look like you're completely disrespecting the man who originated the role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroBG82 View Post
    Bond is a bad example. Those actors left the role by choice, whereas BP's actor died after giving a performance that spoke to a LOT of people.

    Now, people are giving Marvel crap for not recasting the role. I think some of that is fair. But there's a relatively easy way around a lot of this.

    Set BP2 during the 5 Year Gap. When we know T'Challa is gone, and there is no need to explain where he is beyond the Snap. Build up Shuri, or whomever you want as the new BP for that film, exploring what it means to people now that T'Challa is gone. And by the time BP3 rolls around, if indeed it does, you've got a few more years between Chadwick Boseman's death and your new movie. At which point you can either carry on with whomever you set up in BP2, or you can recast with a little more space between the late icon and your new lead, and not look like you're completely disrespecting the man who originated the role.
    Sadly, some doofus decided Shuri was snapped away too. Else I'd have agreed.
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