Worst criminals in Krakoa

[Killerbee911]

Selene, Emma Frost, Shadow king, Sinister... there is a lot of inhabitants of Krakoa who worked with nazis...

Scott,Storm,Colossus and other all worked with Dr. Nemesis who was a Nazi agent. Yes they are a lot of inhabitants of Krakoa who worked with Nazis

[Rev9]

Half of the Quiet Council is rotten to the core really. Magneto, Exodus, Apocalypse, Shaw, Sinister, Mystique - Krakoa's government is made up of the worst of the worst... basically like real-life governments.

I am at pains to include Exodus in the list, he may be enamoured with Magneto's creed but I don't find him an out and out villain.He is more of anti-hero, he risked his own life to put down Matthew Malloy , a mutant Xavier himself erased from existence. In so many arcs he is part of the good guys and not working some angle...He was against Apoc in AoA, he repaired Xavier's brain after his assassination, basically resurrected him, he helped free mutants kept by Someday corp,he helped in neutering Mothervine worldwide with Elixir in X-Men Blue. I think it is a little harsh throwing him in with Sinister,Apoc ,Shaw or Selene.I am not absolving him of his fanaticism but I find him more of a believer in mutant messianism than outright global genocide

[Steel Inquisitor]

Scott,Storm,Colossus and other all worked with Dr. Nemesis who was a Nazi agent. Yes they are a lot of inhabitants of Krakoa who worked with Nazis

What were the circumstances? Which is something you'd think the mutant community would be squirrelly about, along with the members committing genocide, including many of the mutants on the very island itself.

Rev9:

Exodus committed genocide in Heroes for Hire and has been a well known mover and shaker in mutant terrorism since he joined Magneto, and he's not known for being remorseful over his actions. He's the furthest thing from an anti-hero you can get. He was like the prototype for Gorgon.

[Rev9]

What were the circumstances? Which is something you'd think the mutant community would be squirrelly about, along with the members committing genocide, including many of the mutants on the very island itself.

Rev9:

Exodus committed genocide in Heroes for Hire and has been a well known mover and shaker in mutant terrorism since he joined Magneto, and he's not known for being remorseful over his actions. He's the furthest thing from an anti-hero you can get. He was like the prototype for Gorgon.

yeah he may not be remorseful, but I doubt he commits genocide or terrorism unprovoked, I am yet to see him absolutely revel in genocide like Sinister or Selene or Apocalypse.I have not read Siege of Wundergore arc to be fair, but from all depictions of Exodus I've seen I'm yet to believe he sanctioned a genocide without reason.As I've mentioned before he is filled with a sense of duty and honour informed by his historic past.So painting him with broad infamy of his other co-consuls is disingenuous

[Nazrel]

I will play along

Jean Grey via Phoenix- Mass Murder,Terrorism
Wolverine-Serial Killer,Terrorism
X-23 Serial Killer, Terrorism
Bishop- Mass Murder,Terrorism
Kwannon- Serial Killer,Terrorism
Beast- I am pretty sure mass murder,Terrorism,
Gambit-Thief and accessory to mass murder,Terrorism
Rogue-Terrorist
Professor X-Child in endangerment,Emotional abuse of his followers,Terrorism
Domino-Serial Killer,Terrorism
Rahne-Attempting to seduce a minor,Terrorism
Colossus-Attempting to seduce a minor,Terrorism

I can find reckless stuff say about Shatterstar,M,Quire, Sage, Strong Guy, Cable, Betsy, Storm and many others as well.

X-23 and Wolverine are mass murders, not serial killers; there is a distinct difference.

[norj]

yeah he may not be remorseful, but I doubt he commits genocide or terrorism unprovoked, I am yet to see him absolutely revel in genocide like Sinister or Selene or Apocalypse.I have not read Siege of Wundergore arc to be fair, but from all depictions of Exodus I've seen I'm yet to believe he sanctioned a genocide without reason.As I've mentioned before he is filled with a sense of duty and honour informed by his historic past.So painting him with broad infamy of his other co-consuls is disingenuous

Exodus fought in the crusades, nice people did not join become crusaders, he tried kill every none mutant super-human on earth and threatened to kill everyone on Genosha unless the mutants there killed all the humans.

[Rev9]

Exodus fought in the crusades, nice people did not join become crusaders, he tried kill every none mutant super-human on earth and threatened to kill everyone on Genosha unless the mutants there killed all the humans.

'Nice people did not join to become crusaders' is that an opinion or fact? While there was a plethora of reasons to fight in crusades some less noble, adventure, personal advancement, hope to gain reward and title and so forth you cannot go ahead and claim real people driven by religious fervour or fighting as loyal subjects or swearing fealty for their king were 'bad people'.

Also Genosha is not the entire world, he wanted a purely mutant enclave, but that is different than eradicating all humanity

[jwatson]

Oh lets not forget Jumbo Carnation. How dare he let Emma get a mom bob. I will NEVAH forgive him.

[Uncanny X-Man]

I am at pains to include Exodus in the list, he may be enamoured with Magneto's creed but I don't find him an out and out villain.He is more of anti-hero, he risked his own life to put down Matthew Malloy , a mutant Xavier himself erased from existence. In so many arcs he is part of the good guys and not working some angle...He was against Apoc in AoA, he repaired Xavier's brain after his assassination, basically resurrected him, he helped free mutants kept by Someday corp,he helped in neutering Mothervine worldwide with Elixir in X-Men Blue. I think it is a little harsh throwing him in with Sinister,Apoc ,Shaw or Selene.I am not absolving him of his fanaticism but I find him more of a believer in mutant messianism than outright global genocide

He never valued regular human lives though... oh wait, same as the rest of the Council I guess, except for when it's time to punish Sabretooth

[Uncanny X-Man]

And let's not ever forget Magneto did this to his own daughter (OK, she wasn't at the time, and she isn't anymore... but still!)

[norj]

'Nice people did not join to become crusaders' is that an opinion or fact? While there was a plethora of reasons to fight in crusades some less noble, adventure, personal advancement, hope to gain reward and title and so forth you cannot go ahead and claim real people driven by religious fervour or fighting as loyal subjects or swearing fealty for their king were 'bad people'.

Also Genosha is not the entire world, he wanted a purely mutant enclave, but that is different than eradicating all humanity

Crusaders had a nasty habit of sacking and looting christian cities, as well as killing most of the civilians of in the muslim lands the conquered, the also fought among each for those lands. The only people that signed up for the crusades were power hungry murders, thieves and fanatics, no one joined for honor or because they loyal to their king, they just wanted to loot and kill.

[Rev9]

Crusaders had a nasty habit of sacking and looting christian cities, as well as killing most of the civilians of in the muslim lands the conquered, the also fought among each for those lands. The only people that signed up for the crusades were power hungry murders, thieves and fanatics, no one joined for honor or because they loyal to their king, they just wanted to loot and kill.

You seem to speak as if you were there, many who debate history read into it what is probable and plausible but not complete fact.The same logic can be used to claim pilgrims who migrated to the new world were no better than the Spanish conquistadors, or simply hated Catholicism or were anti monarchy..is it plausible that some were? Sure but did others leave because of religious wars, internal schisms and again an honest attempt to create a new religious society in what they presumed was virgin land or to evangelise the original inhabitants? That is equally true.Crusades began because of pope Urban II calling for them, his motivations were purely religious, to reclaim the holyland ,get relics protected.. sure they may have been used by kings for reasons other than originally intended but it doesn't mean people who joined the first crusade for example didn't do so with religious conviction. There was not only one crusade there were about 7 and with time they diverged in their goals as realities changed but to the end many retained a religious component just that some changed from being against Islam to other gnostic sects within Europe.I wouldn't try to re-write history with such tunnel vision outlooks

[Captain Nash]

Selene, Sinister, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Magneto (if, for nothing else, what he did in Fatal Attractions), Beast

Apocalypse would be included but do we consider him part of Krakoa now? And is the Shadow King actually part of Krakoa or not? Possibly Wolverine and Bishop and Mystique for terrorism.

Sorry, but compared to these, things like thievery, and some of the other crimes listed, while absolutely horrible (and I make clear I'm not okay with them in any way) are a step down.

[norj]

You seem to speak as if you were there, many who debate history read into it what is probable and plausible but not complete fact.The same logic can be used to claim pilgrims who migrated to the new world were no better than the Spanish conquistadors, or simply hated Catholicism or were anti monarchy..is it plausible that some were? Sure but did others leave because of religious wars, internal schisms and again an honest attempt to create a new religious society in what they presumed was virgin land or to evangelise the original inhabitants? That is equally true.Crusades began because of pope Urban II calling for them, his motivations were purely religious, to reclaim the holyland ,get relics protected.. sure they may have been used by kings for reasons other than originally intended but it doesn't mean people who joined the first crusade for example didn't do so with religious conviction. There was not only one crusade there were about 7 and with time they diverged in their goals as realities changed but to the end many retained a religious component just that some changed from being against Islam to other gnostic sects within Europe.I wouldn't try to re-write history with such tunnel vision outlooks

There are multiple accounts by the Byzantine's of crusaders pillaging and looting their way across the empire to get to the 'Holy Lands', and the crusaders themselves wrote about their massacres. Holy wars are very opposite of holy.

[Rev9]

He never valued regular human lives though... oh wait, same as the rest of the Council I guess, except for when it's time to punish Sabretooth

Although he puts mutants before humans absolutely, the fact that he tried to help SHIELD shut down Malloy and helped Elixir to contain Mothervine unleashed by Bastion and Sinister is clear signal that he is not about indiscriminate snuffing out of human lives. He is not even close to Selene,Shaw,Apocalypse or Sinister level of contempt for humanity