Yeah, I think that Morrison was 100% right with Manchester's "I was young and evil and you had already started your journey into irrelevancy" line. Obviously not an exact quote.
Yeah, I think that Morrison was 100% right with Manchester's "I was young and evil and you had already started your journey into irrelevancy" line. Obviously not an exact quote.
Never mind. I wasn't able to fully explain my point.
Last edited by Myskin; 08-27-2021 at 11:11 AM.
Educational town, Rolemodel city and Moralofthestory land are the places where good comics go to die.
DC writers and editors looked up and shouted "Save us!"
And Alan Moore looked down and whispered "No."
I'm kinda surprised Snyder didn't want Superman to watch Lois and Bruce conceive their love child. All the while singing the "Na na na na na na Batman!" theme song - Robotman, 03/06/2021
Never mind. I wasn't able to fully explain my point.
Last edited by Myskin; 08-27-2021 at 11:11 AM.
Educational town, Rolemodel city and Moralofthestory land are the places where good comics go to die.
DC writers and editors looked up and shouted "Save us!"
And Alan Moore looked down and whispered "No."
I'm kinda surprised Snyder didn't want Superman to watch Lois and Bruce conceive their love child. All the while singing the "Na na na na na na Batman!" theme song - Robotman, 03/06/2021
Also most writers simply don’t know how to write “inspirational” heroes. To them being “inspirational” means
Instead of
So lots of heroic posing and posturing, lots of speeches to the kids, not a lot of Superman doing cool ****.
For when my rants on the forums just aren’t enough: https://thevindicativevordan.tumblr.com/
I can't believe I am saying this, but if I had to choose an "average" Superman I would be OK with - that is, not a groundbreaking Superman à la All Star, but a version of the character I would be happy to see on a regular basis and MAYBE would make me feel like reading corporate comics again, it would be the Louise Simonson and Jon Bogdanove version from 1990s Man of Steel series.
It's weird, because I was never really into it while it was still being published (maybe I was too young), but now I can't help but find it enjoyable and funny. It has humor, dense dialogues, action, compressed storylines, not many inspirational moments and the characters are graphically exaggerated in a good way. I consider that period the "TMNT era" of Superman, and it is particularly evident in this specific series (Lois looks like April O'Neil sometimes, too), with its bizarre, genetically engineered villains. It's like a lighter version of Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon (one of most enjoyable and creative superhero series ever).
Educational town, Rolemodel city and Moralofthestory land are the places where good comics go to die.
DC writers and editors looked up and shouted "Save us!"
And Alan Moore looked down and whispered "No."
I'm kinda surprised Snyder didn't want Superman to watch Lois and Bruce conceive their love child. All the while singing the "Na na na na na na Batman!" theme song - Robotman, 03/06/2021
THe bold part is the perfect summation of what I've been feeling. If this is all the people writing the stories think of Superman, it's not surprising they turn him evil the first chance they get and/or just use him as a punch bag, literaly or figuratively, for the characters they have more interest.
Yup yup yup yup yup. Even All-Star Superman-- the ultrapowerful burgeoning capital-S Sungod-- was very ACTIVE in each issue, for big things and small. And while the people around him understood his importance and loved him, they never actually treated him as a deity, nor did he posture as one.
Because continuity as we conceive it today didn't exist yet. They were mostly single episodes which were relatively coherent with each other, but modern continuity (as it was introduced by Marvel) became part of Superman comics only after Byrne's takeover.
The first years of Berganza's tenure were actually quite stable. Everything started to go downhill with Birthright and probably for reasons Berganza has relatively few responsibilities for.
Educational town, Rolemodel city and Moralofthestory land are the places where good comics go to die.
DC writers and editors looked up and shouted "Save us!"
And Alan Moore looked down and whispered "No."
I'm kinda surprised Snyder didn't want Superman to watch Lois and Bruce conceive their love child. All the while singing the "Na na na na na na Batman!" theme song - Robotman, 03/06/2021
I know, right? I mean, Jurgens was by far the most popular super-writer in that period (didn't particularly like him, still don't), but Simonson and Bogdanove's run was probably the most distinct and over-the-top in a good way (and funny, too. I don't remember many genuinely funny moments in Jurgens' Superman. He took himself too seriously). I have also realised that it was bizarrely cyberpunk-ish in its own way before Loeb and Kelly - not in the architecture of Metropolis, but in the villains, who often had robotic features (or limbs, eyes...). It is probably not a case that Simonson also wrote Steel's regular series. Yes, if I had to choose a direction for a revival of regular Superman would probably be this one.
EDIT PS: This issue https://superman86to99.tumblr.com/po...-november-1993 also has a pulp-ish aircraft, superhot Lois and a S&M villain - how can you NOT love it?
Last edited by Myskin; 08-28-2021 at 06:45 AM.
Educational town, Rolemodel city and Moralofthestory land are the places where good comics go to die.
DC writers and editors looked up and shouted "Save us!"
And Alan Moore looked down and whispered "No."
I'm kinda surprised Snyder didn't want Superman to watch Lois and Bruce conceive their love child. All the while singing the "Na na na na na na Batman!" theme song - Robotman, 03/06/2021
For when my rants on the forums just aren’t enough: https://thevindicativevordan.tumblr.com/