PKJ Action Comics Discussion and Spoilers

[Robanker]

I’m the only one saying it, because I’m the only one who cares enough to even point it out


The shitty sales of Superman and action proves what I am saying

Superman sales haven't been good outside of relaunches for years, far before Jon ever was created. You're trying to co-opt a trend to fit a narrative.

[Vordan]

I think Morrison and Tomasi were the ones who sold great, and they needed linewide relaunches to do so. Supes sells well enough to support two books (although now they giving one of those to Jon), but he doesn’t sell great. To be perfectly frank, he needs a big successful event to get a bunch of eyes on his books and keep people engaged. Sinestro Corps War was what took GL to the top if I recall correctly. He needs a hit like that. He hasn’t had one in a long time I don’t think: Our Worlds at War, New Krypton, Reign of Doomsday, Doomed, Truth, all were terrible. Death and Reign were his last big events which is why they’re the ones people tend to fall back on. He needs something new.

[kryptonian]

He needs to have a run with a status quo that people...actually like

And the last one that people liked was in rebirth

People have soundly rejected everything about him since when bendis took over

And he needs a writer that is devoted to making him work full time without editorial interference

And he desperately needs a good video game, a good movie, or both at the same time


And he needs a big DC-wide event that centers on him

[Korath]

He needs to have a run with a status quo that people...actually like

And the last one that people liked was in rebirth

People have soundly rejected everything about him since when bendis took over

And he needs a writer that is devoted to making him work full time without editorial interference

And he desperately needs a good video game, a good movie, or both at the same time


And he needs a big DC-wide event that centers on him

Not everyone liked that status quo in Rebirth, and in fact it alreayd proved to be floundering and unsustainable at the end of Tomasi's run. Get real, the so called iconic status quo won't save Superman as a seller.

[Superlad93]

Was going to keep this to myself, but in light of the new cover for Action Comics #1035 this has now gone from a theory to the most likely situation.

Anyways, he's the cover for Justice League #68




In light of Jon becoming full time Superman, Clark leaving, and Batman suggesting that Jon join the League because of his climbing power levels, this cover seems to be that moment happening. The League welcoming its new Superman, and Clark being there to hand off the keys to him (like he'll later do with the Fortress in Son of Superman)

Why would it be Jon they're welcoming? Well, it's not Naomi (she's right there), it's not Wonder Mom (she's right there), and it's not Black Adam (he's right there). Given the fact that the arc right after Naomi's is a United Planets arc where they question if there can still be a UP, and Jon is the founder, chances seem very good that it's him.

Also, this is an seems to be an inversion of this cover for Legion

[Quinlan58]

Moving on from Jon discussion, seems what PKJ said about Lois not having a place in his run will start in September. Hopefully someone else uses her in stories (so far we have Bendis in Checkmate and Taylor has also promised to use her in S:SoKE IIRC).

If we're still having back-ups in AC after the current Midnighter story is done, hopefully it'll be Lois focused, or Steel focused, or even Krypton focused to compliment whatever PKJ's doing.

[Airtrap]

The sales discussions are really pointless, we are talking about miniscule numbers. More people watch informercials at 3am then read Superman books, any Youtuber with the same sized audience like Action Comics would be a virtually unknown creator.

Also the "great" and "awful" runs have basically the same sales anyway, any Variant Cover has more pull than any the writer or artist has nowadays. The reality is Superman has around ~40k single issue readers and loads of them probably just buy it out of habit.
Just bag and board it and put it in their longbox, might not even read it really

[kryptonian]

Not everyone liked that status quo in Rebirth, and in fact it alreayd proved to be floundering and unsustainable at the end of Tomasi's run. Get real, the so called iconic status quo won't save Superman as a seller.

And this status quo is?

People have already rejected the status quo of bendis and this status quo as evidenced by its shitty sales.

And audiences literally burned new 52 marriageless status quo into the ground


Superman and Lois(taking more from rebirth than bendis’s nonsense) success proves I’m right

[Airtrap]

And this status quo is?

People have already rejected the status quo of bendis and this status quo as evidenced by its shitty sales.

And audiences literally burned new 52 marriageless status quo into the ground


Superman and Lois(taking more from rebirth than bendis’s nonsense) success proves I’m right

The sales difference between N52 and Rebirth was tiny and the trade sales for Rebirth were actually lower than the N52 ones. Rebirth in general had terrible trade sales but that's a different story.
You can't prove anything with sales so small, it's not like sales doubled or something noticeable.

That's also the reason DC (and Marvel) have no problem throwing away stuff, comicbooks are a collectors market and not a readers market. It's all about Variant Covers and First appearances, the actual stories are becoming increasingly irrelevant

[Vordan]

Moving on from Jon discussion, seems what PKJ said about Lois not having a place in his run will start in September. Hopefully someone else uses her in stories (so far we have Bendis in Checkmate and Taylor has also promised to use her in S:SoKE IIRC).

If we're still having back-ups in AC after the current Midnighter story is done, hopefully it'll be Lois focused, or Steel focused, or even Krypton focused to compliment whatever PKJ's doing.

Feel pretty confident that she will have a role to play in Taylor’s SSoKE. Bendis likes using her so I’m sure she’ll play a role in his plans. Besides those two, she’ll be in Superman ‘78 for sure. She’ll be fine.

[kryptonian]

The sales difference between N52 and Rebirth was tiny and the trade sales for Rebirth were actually lower than the N52 ones. Rebirth in general had terrible trade sales but that's a different story.
You can't prove anything with sales so small, it's not like sales doubled or something noticeable.

That's also the reason DC (and Marvel) have no problem throwing away stuff, comicbooks are a collectors market and not a readers market. It's all about Variant Covers and First appearances, the actual stories are becoming increasingly irrelevant

Keep telling yourself that


New 52 is hated, dc literally had an entire movie devoted to slaughtering that iteration of the universe, and Warner’s multimedia are treating any remnants of that era like a cancer


Hell...there is an entire Superman show where the villain is a new 52 coded Superman and Warner’s only reason for not continuing the snyderverse is part of a larger strategy to get away from that era

Their injustice adaptation is only allowed to exist because of the ending where dark Superman has his cheeks clapped by prime Superman

[Sacred Knight]

Moving on from Jon discussion, seems what PKJ said about Lois not having a place in his run will start in September. Hopefully someone else uses her in stories (so far we have Bendis in Checkmate and Taylor has also promised to use her in S:SoKE IIRC).

If we're still having back-ups in AC after the current Midnighter story is done, hopefully it'll be Lois focused, or Steel focused, or even Krypton focused to compliment whatever PKJ's doing.

Unless she's the character who goes off with Superman to wherever after the Authority book as teased in the solicits, I have no idea what they'll do with her going forward beyond demoting her to a Ma Kent stand in for Jon. They're going to want to create a new supporting cast for him including likely another love interest(s) which will take up panel time that would normally go to any side adventure she might be having Planet-wise. And I have my doubts she is the one being teased because in past instances where Superman has gone into space before and stayed there a while, its exceedingly rare she's along for the ride. Maybe that changes this time, we'll see.

[Vordan]

Keep telling yourself that


New 52 is hated, dc literally had an entire movie devoted to slaughtering that iteration of the universe, and Warner’s multimedia are treating any remnants of that era like a cancer

You might want to take a look at that Superman suit design for Fortnite again before saying that lol.

Hell...there is an entire Superman show where the villain is a new 52 coded Superman

Lmaooooo what? No clue how you came away with that at all. This guy:

Isn’t at all similar to Evil CEO Kryptonian supremacist Edge.

and Warner’s only reason for not continuing the snyderverse is part of a larger strategy to get away from that era

Uh no? Dude this is insane, you’re saying they abandoned their entire plan for a cinematic universe because the comics side flopped? WB doesn’t give a **** about the comics. They GUTTED the comics division during the layoffs because of how little it meant. Snyderverse died because Snyder couldn’t get them the $$$ they wanted, that’s the only reason why. And hell Snyder got Clark and Lois together from the first movie! There was little to nothing of the New 52 in Snyder’s films, he drew on Byrne, Miller, and Injustice for his take.

Their injustice adaptation is only allowed to exist because of the ending where dark Superman has his cheeks clapped by prime Superman

I freaking wish lol but that’s not true. It’s because Injustice is insanely successful and they’re starting to cash in on its popularity.

Look we’re getting a bunch of media with Superman that’s all aimed at different audiences. S&L for the Superdad audience, MAWS for the young Superman audience, Injustice for evil Superman, the Coates reboot for black Superman, there’s no one take driving the franchise anymore and that’s good for me because it means there’s something out there I’ll like even if one piece of media doesn’t do it for me.

[Yoda]

Moving on from Jon discussion, seems what PKJ said about Lois not having a place in his run will start in September. Hopefully someone else uses her in stories (so far we have Bendis in Checkmate and Taylor has also promised to use her in S:SoKE IIRC).

If we're still having back-ups in AC after the current Midnighter story is done, hopefully it'll be Lois focused, or Steel focused, or even Krypton focused to compliment whatever PKJ's doing.

Taylor has said she’ll have a big role in Jon’s life going forward. He loves Lois and I think she’s in good hands with him. He’s been dying to write the “real” Lois and this is probably his best chance.

[Blue22]

You're the only one saying this, so I doubt it. Even guys like Blue22 who hate Teen Jon don't whine nearly as much. Believe it or not, your opinion doesn't reflect the majority of fandom. Hell, not even of Teen Jon haters.

Oh ****, I got name dropped! Kinda makes me sad that I came in here with the intent of whining about something else. But I'll hold off for now XD

I’m the only one saying it, because I’m the only one who cares enough to even point it out


The shitty sales of Superman and action proves what I am saying

Dude no. It's not a matter of who cares more. I think you'll find there are a good number of people here who share most of your sentiments. Well all love Jon. We all care about Jon. We all want Jon to be fixed. And I'm pretty sure most of us detractors will continue complaining about it even if it never happens (at least I will). But, all gripes aside, you gotta be realistic too.

It's fun to vent and wish for things to change for the better. But there's also a very good chance that things won't and the world of DC will keep on turning, just like it did before Jon.