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    Quote Originally Posted by Superboy-Prime View Post
    Sounds like Dan DiDio but expanded into an oligarchy.
    are you happy with the state of DC as it is?

    Didio wasn't an investor, they on the other hand would have interest to make it work.

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    I'm actually very much looking forward to Infinite Frontier, which is the first real initiative since Didio left
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarFarr View Post
    Lets see what happens!!! If offer is refused WB intends to keep publishing comics

    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-c...lots-of-money/
    Of course they are not going to sell. DC is a cheap IP farm and has a library of characters that can be turned into movies like Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman. WB can't risk DC falling into the hands of competitors.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarFarr View Post
    do you think that they will throwaway such investment because of their whims and preferences? These are fans but also investors.
    That's basically Crossgen. There's plenty of comic book fans like Alessi with too much money on their hands who think running a comic book company would be easy money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarFarr View Post
    are you happy with the state of DC as it is?

    Didio wasn't an investor, they on the other hand would have interest to make it work.
    Yes, I'm very much excited for DC Infinite Frontier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    Of course they are not going to sell. DC is a cheap IP farm and has a library of characters that can be turned into movies like Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman. WB can't risk DC falling into the hands of competitors.
    The article specifically states it is JUST the comics publishing side. WB would keep all IP. But I do like the CrossGen comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superboy-Prime View Post
    Yes, I'm very much excited for DC Infinite Frontier.
    Infinite Frontier Ok, but can we admit DC is in a mess, otherwise it won't be having such a reduced publishing line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarFarr View Post
    Infinite Frontier Ok, but can we admit DC is in a mess, otherwise it won't be having such a reduced publishing line.
    I like DC's new direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superboy-Prime View Post
    I like DC's new direction.
    laying off people?
    fewer titles published? maybe you don't care about fans who's favorite characters are not being published.
    Its I am alright, so to hell with the rest.
    Infinite frontier to date has yet to generate the enthusiasm Rebirth did. Lets hope that it does as DC was never in such state! If Infinite frontier fails it might get bad for DC.

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    Once upon a time, I'd have been all for a reduced publishing line... but as we've all seen, the reality of that is "All Batman, All The Time!" with a handful of other characters on the side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    Once upon a time, I'd have been all for a reduced publishing line... but as we've all seen, the reality of that is "All Batman, All The Time!" with a handful of other characters on the side.
    What most of us would like is, have all the bat books you want, but at least let the Hawk or the Arrow fans have theirs as well. The more the merrier the saying goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    Once upon a time, I'd have been all for a reduced publishing line... but as we've all seen, the reality of that is "All Batman, All The Time!" with a handful of other characters on the side.
    "I'm so excited for this new DC book they're teasing! Oh, it's just another Bat-Book/Set in Gotham and/or starring Batman in a leading role..."

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    This is the culmination of nearly two decades of mismanagement of the publishing side. If they had been in a stronger position in the direct market and not having to sell us an endless number of reboots/soft reboots, the layoffs and the downsizing would have been far less severe. The management at DC publishing were DC's Carly Fiorina. In contrast Marvel, Quesada and his successors were able to reassert themselves after the Harras era and Marvel's bankruptcy. That coupled with the success of the MCU has made Marvel THE dominant player in the comic book industry. If DC had better management with better business sense who cared more about marketshare and licensing/adaptations, it would be a different story. Instead it was a bunch of fratboys who were more interested in using the publishing side as their personal playground and bringing back characters from their childhood or replacing minority legacy characters with white ones. The management was toxic and should have been purged 10 years earlier. Instead the company is in its final death throes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    This is the culmination of nearly two decades of mismanagement of the publishing side. If they had been in a stronger position in the direct market and not having to sell us an endless number of reboots/soft reboots, the layoffs and the downsizing would have been far less severe. The management at DC publishing were DC's Carly Fiorina. In contrast Marvel, Quesada and his successors were able to reassert themselves after the Harras era and Marvel's bankruptcy. That coupled with the success of the MCU has made Marvel THE dominant player in the comic book industry. If DC had better management with better business sense who cared more about marketshare and licensing/adaptations, it would be a different story. Instead it was a bunch of fratboys who were more interested in using the publishing side as their personal playground and bringing back characters from their childhood or replacing minority legacy characters with white ones. The management was toxic and should have been purged 10 years earlier. Instead the company is in its final death throes.
    Lets not exaggerate, I am not happy with DC but its not entirely their fault if they ended into AT&T's hands and they downsized it. AT&T is the worst thing to happen to a company like DC.
    As for reboots/soft reboots, Marvel is no stranger to that. DC's problem is they can't think outside the box, that is only batman.

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    The upper management from AT&T is going to continue cutting (and downsizing) them to the bone because the enormous debt load AT&T has. DC is currently hemorrhaging personnel and that's going to effect the production of these comics. It's going to be a vicious cycle where they are going to continue losing readers, which in turn impacts their bottom line causing more cuts in personnel. There is a very real chance, management turns DC into a licensing holding company and sells the publishing rights for the comics to a third party publisher (maybe even Marvel). Right now DC is the Titanic and we have a front row seat to the sinking. It's all because of 20 years worth of terrible leadership that lead us to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    The management is going to continue cutting (and downsizing) them to the bone because the enormous debt load AT&T has. DC is currently hemorrhaging personnel and that's going to effect the production of these comics. It's going to be a vicious cycle where they are going to continue losing readers, which in turn impacts their bottom line causing more cuts in personnel. There is a very real chance, management turns DC into a licensing holding company and sells the publishing rights for the comics to a third party publisher (maybe even Marvel).
    I agree, but how can you blame DC for the enormous debt load AT&T has? DC despite its shortcomings has no fault in all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    It's all because of 20 years worth of terrible leadership that lead us to this.
    what does the last 20 years have to do with AT&T debt?
    Comics are in decline, marvel is in better shape than dc but not that much, numbers are falling at marvel too.
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