T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Marvell2100]

Curious, have we ever seen Christmas or Thanksgiving celebrated in Wakanda?

No and really it shouldn't be.

[KingNomarch]

Curious, have we ever seen Christmas or Thanksgiving celebrated in Wakanda?

No it wouldn't make sense but Black Panther vs Deadpool introduced the Wakandan version of Halloween/Day of the Dead. More aspects of Wakandan culture akin to that should be explored.

[MindofShadow]

If T'Challa starts sucking again (and I see the odds about 50-50), then I will simply wander off for good. The Jed Mackay Moon Knight book is more to my current tastes anyway.

the MK book is fire so far.

Lmao does he think this is a positive?

Some people want to read books about characters who are just as miserable as they are.

But I agree Moon Knight has been really good. For the longest I just thought the only thing interesting about him was the cool-looking suit. I'm gonna go read those old runs when I get the chance.

Huston's MK run is one of my favorites. Always felt like it combined the vigilante + crazy in a good way.

Too many MK runs tend to focus on the crazy way too much for me (most recent ones).

Ellis was just an action comic, fun and a palate cleanser but not really complex in anyway.

[Spiderfan001]

Nah I wouldn't say woke writing. This is fake woke crowd, the term woke doesn't imply that yo flip the script and make men the idiots needing help. Being woke means that you understand that everyone needs their shine and your not going to write stupid isht like what was in that article. Which was laughable.

I can't believe they wrote that isht about Coates panther and didn't just burst out laughing at the ridiculousness of mentioning that his take was somehow the superior take. It was isht, it was the type of writing I would expect of a character that's a two bit villain, completely trash villain who's incompetence is unbound and needs help from his cast to do everything.

Yeah I agree, that why the quotations on the woke.As in these are the comics that pretend to be woke/progressive/etc. but really are just dumb af.

They need to drop this style/trope in these comics forever

[MindofShadow]

Fingers-crossed that T'Challa has a Wakandan mutant spy there

I don't know how that will work based on what we know but I hope that too.

And I 100% expect a, "this is why the marriage would never work with you T'challa! You are a paranoid *******!" line from Storm.

I just hope Tchalla's response isn't hanging his head and going, "yes my dear." Gotta keep the base in his voice at this point.

[BlackClaw]

No it wouldn't make sense but Black Panther vs Deadpool introduced the Wakandan version of Halloween/Day of the Dead. More aspects of Wakandan culture akin to that should be explored.

I always thought that a slice of life series would be the perfect way to show what holidays the Wakandans celebrate among other things such as them trying to put together a team for the olympics or trying to figure out how to handle tourism.

[Marvell2100]

I don't know how that will work based on what we know but I hope that too.

And I 100% expect a, "this is why the marriage would never work with you T'challa! You are a paranoid *******!" line from Storm.

I just hope Tchalla's response isn't hanging his head and going, "yes my dear." Gotta keep the base in his voice at this point.

What would be cool is if Wakanda knew about the Arraki before the X-Men did. That's why the sword was in Wakanda and why BP didn't care if Storm took it.

Wakanda has had spies everywhere and people get pissed when they find out. How do they think Wakanda has so much intel on everyone on and off planet?

[Marvell2100]

I always thought that a slice of life series would be the perfect way to show what holidays the Wakandans celebrate among other things such as them trying to put together a team for the olympics or trying to figure out how to handle tourism.

Didn't you read World of Wakanda when Ayo and Aneka travelled to New York to celebrate the holiday of shopping?

Also, Wakanda would send kids to the Olympics, I'm talking about 12-16 year-old.

[DigiCom]

That is why, Coates run will eventually fade away and be forgotten just like Mayberry because for all the "critical acclaim" at the end of the day, he wrote **** book with bad plot, pacing, logistics, and his stories were forgettable

Ah, but as I've said before, bad plot, weak characterization, and florid dialogue are exactly what the "literary" crowd lap up.

I absolutely despise "literary fiction", because it's snobbish and elitist. "Stories that are 'exciting' and 'popular' are for commoners. We are more concerned with 'merit'."

I mean, listen to this claptrap:

Literary fiction often involves social commentary, political criticism, or reflection on the human condition. In general it focuses on "introspective, in-depth character studies" of "interesting, complex and developed" characters. This contrasts with genre fiction where plot is the central concern. Usually in literary fiction the focus is on the "inner story" of the characters who drive the plot, with detailed motivations to elicit "emotional involvement" in the reader. The style of literary fiction is often described as "elegantly written, lyrical, and ... layered". The tone of literary fiction can be darker than genre fiction, while the pacing of literary fiction may be slower than popular fiction. As Terrence Rafferty notes, "literary fiction, by its nature, allows itself to dawdle, to linger on stray beauties even at the risk of losing its way".

[Spiderfan001]

Not to mention you need writers who can write very well for literary fiction.If the entire focus is on characters then they need to be spot on, which most of comic writer using this method haven't accomplished

[DigiCom]

Not to mention you need writers who can write very well for literary fiction.If the entire focus is on characters then they need to be spot on, which most of comic writer using this method haven't accomplished

Even the well written ones are boring as hell, though. And it's not just Coates... take Tom King.

(Please!)

[Agent Z]

Even the well written ones are boring as hell, though. And it's not just Coates... take Tom King.

(Please!)

Isn't this kind of an oxymoron? How can a well written character also be boring?

[DigiCom]

Isn't this kind of an oxymoron? How can a well written character also be boring?

Ever read The Old Man and the Sea?

When a book is all about a character's internal dialogue, but nothing actually happens much, then the quality of characterization becomes meaningless.

"I woke up and stared at the photo of my late wife, gone 25 years now. I still remembered the perfume she wore. Lilacs & lavender."

*insert 25 pages of internal monologue about when he first smelled lilacs as a child. And another about how they both used to like peach jam for breakfast, but he hasn't had it since she died*

"And then, as I had the day off, I sat and watched television until lunch."

*insert 45 pages about the black & white TV his parents had in their living room, and how he used to have to fiddle with it in order to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings*

Get the idea?

It might be bearable in prose. But in a superhero comic...

[Spiderfan001]

Even the well written ones are boring as hell, though. And it's not just Coates... take Tom King.

(Please!)

Agreed, it's okay to have if well done and like 1-2 issues out of 25 issues.Entire runs w/ this don't fit superhero comics

[chief12d]

Ever read The Old Man and the Sea?

When a book is all about a character's internal dialogue, but nothing actually happens much, then the quality of characterization becomes meaningless.

"I woke up and stared at the photo of my late wife, gone 25 years now. I still remembered the perfume she wore. Lilacs & lavender."

*insert 25 pages of internal monologue about when he first smelled lilacs as a child. And another about how they both used to like peach jam for breakfast, but he hasn't had it since she died*

"And then, as I had the day off, I sat and watched television until lunch."

*insert 45 pages about the black & white TV his parents had in their living room, and how he used to have to fiddle with it in order to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings*

Get the idea?

It might be bearable in prose. But in a superhero comic...

It works depending on the medium. Hemingway’s writing style is an absolute bore to me but he’d probably write a better comic than James Joyce or Thomas Wolfe. Directness and a dedication to meaning in brevity is a lost art in a lot of modern literature across the board.

A single wordless panel of T’Challa spoilers:

crying on the ground after hearing about Jhai’s death

end of spoilers does more to communicate T’Challa’s stress and isolation than him poetically reciting how he basically hates being king lol. But it’s also a matter of preference IMO because sometimes those long extended internal dialogues can work to great effect, like Hickman’s intro to T’Challa when he convened with the Illuminati. But you can’t build an entire comic around philosophical platitudes and moral debates. Or around overly sensitive characters that don’t actively move the plot. The literary crowd won’t be kind to Ridley’s run, just like how most of them would probably hate the Priest run if they ever got around to reading it.