T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[KingNomarch]

We would also be able to get a fully realized T'Challa. Something that we likely won't see in the MCU any time soon. Again I liked the first movie, but I didn't like how T'Challas super genius is more ambiguous instead of just being made clear that the reason Shuri is tinkering so much is because he is the black panther and King now. Something like a comment made by T'Challa reminiscing the time he spent in the lab creating stuff as he is looking at all of Shuris bee designs would of been suffice.

Also not thrilled that its Erik and Nakia, not Erik and T'Challa, whom were pushing for Wakanda to do more for the world.
The movie should of had T'Challa getting information from his friends and family regarding opening Wakanda, with Nakia being the only one fully supporting his idea. Which would of made the conflict with Erik that much more powerful and it wouldn't of taken anything from Nakia.

Especially now that T'Chadwicks gone it just leaves a bad taste and leaves T'Challa in an incomplete state

T'Challa's genius could have been handled by having him be responsible for the upgraded habit and any tech that he personally uses while Shiri creates everything else or had Shuri tell Ross that the stabilizing field used to depower vibranium was T'Challa's idea.

I didn't mind that opening Wakanda wasn't originally his idea. Having his arc focus on him becoming his own man and king and not following his father and his ancestors footsteps worked out fine especially since this version lost T'Chaka as an adult instead of a kid.

I just wanted a more Priest like T'Challa but that doesn't seem likely unless they introduce a variant at some point.

[BlackClaw]

T'Challa's genius could have been handled by having him be responsible for the upgraded habit and any tech that he personally uses while Shiri creates everything else or had Shuri tell Ross that the stabilizing field used to depower vibranium was T'Challa's idea.

I didn't mind that opening Wakanda wasn't his originally his idea. Having his arc focus on him becoming his own man and king and not following his father and his ancestors footsteps worked out fine especially since this version lost T'Chaka as an adult instead of a kid.

I just wanted a more Priest like T'Challa but that doesn't seem likely unless they introduce a variant at some point.

Fingers crossed.

[Ezyo1000]

T'Challa's genius could have been handled by having him be responsible for the upgraded habit and any tech that he personally uses while Shiri creates everything else or had Shuri tell Ross that the stabilizing field used to depower vibranium was T'Challa's idea.

I didn't mind that opening Wakanda wasn't originally his idea. Having his arc focus on him becoming his own man and king and not following his father and his ancestors footsteps worked out fine especially since this version lost T'Chaka as an adult instead of a kid.

I just wanted a more Priest like T'Challa but that doesn't seem likely unless they introduce a variant at some point.

I mean, it didn't even make sense when Shuri is telling Ross about The mines and that being her idea, they were already making things out of vibranium already and so if they just recently found out how to safely transport vibranium by making it inert.. I dunno I thought that was kinda weak. As if Shuri who was only 16 was the only one to figure this stuff out.

Again all I wanted at the very least was confirmation that T'Challa was a super genius as well. It would of been so simple but for some reason it was as though T'Challa had too many attributes and needed to lose some. Sane with opening Wakanda. That's kinda a big point to T'Challas story and WHY he was different from any other Black Panther. To give it to Nakia and it being completely her idea while he is on the fence about it again weakened him. It completely changes the character and what made him so special among a nation of exceptional people

[BlackClaw]

Would any of you like for T’Challa to be a parent and have his kid be a part of the main cast (think Jon Kent or Damian Wayne) or would it be a hard no? I think it would’ve been pulled off if Storm was still his wife since they do have a son together in an alternate continuity (Azuri). The problem is if it were to happen now it would probably have to be via multiverse shenanigans since in the main timeline he’s currently unmarried and if he does knock someone up a decade would have to pass in universe in order for stories to be told with the kid.

[DigiCom]

Would any of you like for T’Challa to be a parent and have his kid be a part of the main cast (think Jon Kent or Damian Wayne) or would it be a hard no? I think it would’ve been pulled off if Storm was still his wife since they do have a son together in an alternate continuity (Azuri). The problem is if it were to happen now it would probably have to be via multiverse shenanigans since in the main timeline he’s currently unmarried and if he does knock someone up a decade would have to pass in universe in order for stories to be told with the kid.

Kids in comics almost NEVER work. They either tend to get aged to adulthood as soon as feasible (hi Jon!) or end up being plot devices (waves at Franklin).

Of course, this comes from soap operas, which do the exact same thing.

[KingNomarch]

I mean, it didn't even make sense when Shuri is telling Ross about The mines and that being her idea, they were already making things out of vibranium already and so if they just recently found out how to safely transport vibranium by making it inert.. I dunno I thought that was kinda weak. As if Shuri who was only 16 was the only one to figure this stuff out.

Again all I wanted at the very least was confirmation that T'Challa was a super genius as well. It would of been so simple but for some reason it was as though T'Challa had too many attributes and needed to lose some. Sane with opening Wakanda. That's kinda a big point to T'Challas story and WHY he was different from any other Black Panther. To give it to Nakia and it being completely her idea while he is on the fence about it again weakened him. It completely changes the character and what made him so special among a nation of exceptional people

Revealing that he built the CW suit was the confirmation that he's a genius and I don't see making the idea of opening Wakanda Nakia's idea as weakening him nor did it completely change him since originally it wasn't even T'Challa's idea to begin with in the comics. The key thing is that T'Challa didn't open Wakanda because of Nakia. She didn't say or do anything that made him realize that she was right. If anything completely changed his character it was killing T'Chaka when he's an adult. T'Chaka's death is what made him the man that he was and before Hudlin's retcons, it forced him into role as king at the age of 12 and his later being used to retcon into being the reason why he opened Wakanda. He doesn't have any of the outside world experiences because of it while Nakia does as a spy.

[KingNomarch]

Would any of you like for T’Challa to be a parent and have his kid be a part of the main cast (think Jon Kent or Damian Wayne) or would it be a hard no? I think it would’ve been pulled off if Storm was still his wife since they do have a son together in an alternate continuity (Azuri). The problem is if it were to happen now it would probably have to be via multiverse shenanigans since in the main timeline he’s currently unmarried and if he does knock someone up a decade would have to pass in universe in order for stories to be told with the kid.

As long as it's not with you know who. But a problem with introducing kids other than the reasons DigiCom mentioned is that you have to acknowledge the passage of time. Danielle Cage was born in the early 2000s but is only a toddler. I wouldn't mind seeing a kid of his come from a possible future timeline and I think the X-books already did something like that with his and Storm's daughter. If Marvel ever does plan to give him a kid I would prefer a franchise OC but if they don't then use anyone other than Storm. I can already see how the X-office would use a pregnancy and baby storyline to make T'Challa look bad.

[MindofShadow]

Would any of you like for T’Challa to be a parent and have his kid be a part of the main cast (think Jon Kent or Damian Wayne) or would it be a hard no? I think it would’ve been pulled off if Storm was still his wife since they do have a son together in an alternate continuity (Azuri). The problem is if it were to happen now it would probably have to be via multiverse shenanigans since in the main timeline he’s currently unmarried and if he does knock someone up a decade would have to pass in universe in order for stories to be told with the kid.

If they wanted to do it, it would have been with this worm hole time shennanigans.

So be thankful Coates didn't lol

[DigiCom]

Technically, one of his alternate future kids is still around:

https://www.cbr.com/the-next-avengers-lost-generation/

[BlackClaw]

Swear if I were in charge I’d bring back Monica Lynne and find a way to update her. I miss her.

[Ezyo1000]

Revealing that he built the CW suit was the confirmation that he's a genius and I don't see making the idea of opening Wakanda Nakia's idea as weakening him nor did it completely change him since originally it wasn't even T'Challa's idea to begin with in the comics. The key thing is that T'Challa didn't open Wakanda because of Nakia. She didn't say or do anything that made him realize that she was right. If anything completely changed his character it was killing T'Chaka when he's an adult. T'Chaka's death is what made him the man that he was and before Hudlin's retcons, it forced him into role as king at the age of 12 and his later being used to retcon into being the reason why he opened Wakanda. He doesn't have any of the outside world experiences because of it while Nakia does as a spy.

I mean confirmation of his cw suit yes confirms he is a genius but it was used as a dog towards him because I'm comparison to Shuris it's like going from Tony's Cave IM suit to the IW in terms of capability. That's what bugs me, ontop of him not really coming off as he knew the ins and outs of what Shuri was talking about. That's why I am saying that if there was something like him reminiscing about how he used to spend late nights on the lab creating stuff to help their Dad.

Another would of been having Shuri start off by saying that they had some new tools created based off his schematics that she thinks exceeds his expectations (if they really wanted they could add she made a few improvements, just like she had some for HIS emp design). Other than the one mention of his habit there is nothing that make you think T'Challa is as smart or even close to as Smart as Shuri based on BP and IW.

As for opening Wakanda, I disagree. T'Challa was always the one to open Wakanda to the rest of the world, it was that way from the get go. HE decided to stop the isolation. Nakia being the one does change and weakened T'Challa because now he doesn't come off as the one driving the Change but rather things are happening to him while he is trying to maintain status quo, which is works partly, but it would of been.micj more powerful of we saw two sides of the same coin. T'Challa and Erik want the same thing, they both lost their fathers but at different times and it shaped their view of Wakanda and what it should/could do for the world.

I also disagree that Nakia wasn't s driving force. Everyone wants to say it was Erik that changed his mind but Nakia was saying what he ended up doing from the get go. A better idea would of been T'Challa wants to open Wakanda, and is trying to find the best way to do so, everyone but Nakia is against it and Nakia kinda wants to do alot more. So Erik and Nakia fall into the extremes of both sides and T'Challa decides to fall in the middle

[skyvolt2000]

Would any of you like for T’Challa to be a parent and have his kid be a part of the main cast (think Jon Kent or Damian Wayne) or would it be a hard no? I think it would’ve been pulled off if Storm was still his wife since they do have a son together in an alternate continuity (Azuri). The problem is if it were to happen now it would probably have to be via multiverse shenanigans since in the main timeline he’s currently unmarried and if he does knock someone up a decade would have to pass in universe in order for stories to be told with the kid.

He does have a cousin Miles's age who we saw in Ms Marvel.

[Huntsman Spider]

He does have a cousin Miles's age who we saw in Ms Marvel.

That's a pretty good point there. Hadn't thought about that one in a while. Speaking of T'Challa and kids, could be interesting if he adopted and the kid he adopted turned out to be a child of Killmonger. It'd have potential for a great story about the nature of family and such.

[taozen]

We would also be able to get a fully realized T'Challa. Something that we likely won't see in the MCU any time soon. Again I liked the first movie, but I didn't like how T'Challas super genius is more ambiguous instead of just being made clear that the reason Shuri is tinkering so much is because he is the black panther and King now. Something like a comment made by T'Challa reminiscing the time he spent in the lab creating stuff as he is looking at all of Shuris bee designs would of been suffice.

Also not thrilled that its Erik and Nakia, not Erik and T'Challa, whom were pushing for Wakanda to do more for the world.
The movie should of had T'Challa getting information from his friends and family regarding opening Wakanda, with Nakia being the only one fully supporting his idea. Which would of made the conflict with Erik that much more powerful and it wouldn't of taken anything from Nakia.

Especially now that T'Chadwicks gone it just leaves a bad taste and leaves T'Challa in an incomplete state

Agree with the above. We all know that T'Challa's mind is his most powerful weapon. We never got to see that in film.

Also in the film we never hear what T'Challa himself believes is the best path in the beginning of the film. He would say "That is not/has not been Wakanda's way." Or something to that effect. He was written as a cypher for Wakanda. Even if you look at the film score, Killmonger gets a written theme but T'Challa does not have an individual theme in the score. T'Challa's is the same as the Wakanda in general them. It would have been cool if T'Challa has his own theme. More than that, he should have had his own theme IMO.

One could argue that his final decision to not to keep Wakanda secret was not in the best interest of Wakanda. Coogler wrote it from an American point of view. He even stated in one interview that if Wakanda existed in real life and was secret, he would resent it. How they could have had all that technology and advancement and not share it with Black people around the world. That was Eric's point of view. I thought that one plot point in the sequel could have been T'Challa facing a bit of backlash from the tribal elders due to the fact that opening up Wakanda caused conflict to come there and led to lives lost and a damage to their country due to the invasion.

[taozen]

T'Challa's genius could have been handled by having him be responsible for the upgraded habit and any tech that he personally uses while Shiri creates everything else or had Shuri tell Ross that the stabilizing field used to depower vibranium was T'Challa's idea.

I didn't mind that opening Wakanda wasn't originally his idea. Having his arc focus on him becoming his own man and king and not following his father and his ancestors footsteps worked out fine especially since this version lost T'Chaka as an adult instead of a kid.

I just wanted a more Priest like T'Challa but that doesn't seem likely unless they introduce a variant at some point.

His genius could have been easily handled as a sibling rivalry with Shuri with them trying to one up one another in their creations. Or just have most of the rivalry come from Shuri trying to always trying to out do his creations/designs. The sad part is that only we comic book T'Challa fans know that he is a genius. T'Challa in the film got regulated to being a super soldier/James Bond to happens to be king. And Shuri was his Q.