T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Chesterfield]

You know what I find sickening? The BP movies are so linked to James Bond except where it matters most.

Coogler stated a few years ago that T'Challa is supposed to be the Bond of the MCU.
They're filming at Pinewood Studios, granted it's not the Pinewood Studios in the UK.
Coogler himself won the Dana and Albert Broccoli Award for filming Excellence back in 2013 (Dana was Albert's wife and Albert aka Cubby was one half of the Bond producers from the start in 1962 to Goldeneye in 1995, now his 2 kids run the show (Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson))
Shuri is a blatant rip off of Q
The Busan Casino scene in the first movie was inspired by the Macau casino scene in Skyfall

....all these parallels and yet, they come up with bs reasons not to recast the role of T'Challa. Sean Connery was the first (and best) Bond. His influence and impact as Bond is the reason why we have Hollywood tentpole blockbusters today. Goldfinger and Thunderball started the blockbuster and yet, we've had 5 actors take on the role of Bond since Connery, each making their own mark, while preserving what the actors who came before did. We might not even have a BP film today if the Bond producers decided to not recast and end the franchise with You Only Live Twice.

Not recasting, whichever way one looks at it is a massively retarded decision.

[BlackClaw]

You know what I find sickening? The BP movies are so linked to James Bond except where it matters most.

Coogler stated a few years ago that T'Challa is supposed to be the Bond of the MCU.
They're filming at Pinewood Studios, granted it's not the Pinewood Studios in the UK.
Coogler himself won the Dana and Albert Broccoli Award for filming Excellence back in 2013 (Dana was Albert's wife and Albert aka Cubby was one half of the Bond producers from the start in 1962 to Goldeneye in 1995, now his 2 kids run the show (Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson))
Shuri is a blatant rip off of Q
The Busan Casino scene in the first movie was inspired by the Macau casino scene in Skyfall

....all these parallels and yet, they come up with bs reasons not to recast the role of T'Challa. Sean Connery was the first (and best) Bond. His influence and impact as Bond is the reason why we have Hollywood tentpole blockbusters today. Goldfinger and Thunderball started the blockbuster and yet, we've had 5 actors take on the role of Bond since Connery, each making their own mark, while preserving what the actors who came before did. We might not even have a BP film today if the Bond producers decided to not recast and end the franchise with You Only Live Twice.

Not recasting, whichever way one looks at it is a massively retarded decision.

Co-signed. But I think what ultimately led to that decision was that Chadwick died right when Coogler was sending in the original script to Marvel and everyone was prepping to start filming this summer. It was all tragic timing.

[Vordan]

That would be a fun arc. I'm really hoping Achebe gets a resurgence this next run. His dynamic with T'Challa and the big brain geopolitical chess he brings is just the kind of thing that would fit the vibe Ridley's going for. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he was this shadowy threat going after Wakandan agents.

I could definitely see him using Achebe as a chance to play with the “Joker” archetypal villain since he won’t really be able to do that with Jace Batman. I love Achebe and I keep praying he gets a great new story featuring him and T’Challa.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Saw these comments on Reddit. How does this keep happening?

So barely a year to cover both filming and post production.

Fingers crossed.

Every Phase 4 movie right now has a production schedule of over 14 months. Black Panther is the only one that doesn't, despite its massive setbacks.

Yeah, I'm worried, too. I wonder if this was Ryan's plan all along- focusing more on Wakanda's world as opposed to more T'Challa. It's just that there is an adjustment where T'Challa dies and Wakanda has to deal with that, but for Ryan, it's not too much of a hassle.

I think they should delay it to November, and give the date to Doctor Strange Into The Multiverse Of Madness. Give Ryan more time with post-production, considering the visuals could have been touched up in the first film despite that taking 13 months to film and work on post-production. Apparently it's supposed to take six months to film? That's only six months of post-production.

I really hope Ryan's got his 3rd act fight scenes properly planned out this time. Cause if not the 3rd act will be screwed as Marvel wont allow much last minute changes.

I'm still of the belief that Ryan/studio should have just rolled with whatever fight scene was previously shot. An average fight with good CGI is better than a good fight with poor CGI (at least in the theater)

oof

To put that into perspective, when Paul Walker died during the middle of filming of Furious 7, they pushed the release date back by 9 months.

Chadwick Boseman died after the script was almost finished in the middle of a pandemic, and Wakanda Forever has been delayed by only 2 months from its original date of May 2022

[Ezyo1000]

https://twitter.com/bpanthernews/sta...81934336684035

Can't make Chad proud of the character he silently battled cancer with to bring to life, is killed to "Honor" him

[Ezyo1000]

Co-signed. But I think what ultimately led to that decision was that Chadwick died right when Coogler was sending in the original script to Marvel and everyone was prepping to start filming this summer. It was all tragic timing.

Then you frakking delay the movie to find a cotdamn new leading actor to take on the role of the frakking franchise holder, not go "Oh remember those supporting characters, that while fun and we'll acted, are NOT set up to run the franchise? Yeah we are going to focus on them, all the while sealing away the biggest Black lead of all time away to honor a man who gave his life to allow others to be able to continue that role and Inspire millions"

[Klaue's Mixtape]

I will admit that if RDJ died between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that they probably would have just focused on Rhodey.

MCU is just too big to fail at the moment.

[Ezyo1000]

I will admit that if RDJ died between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that they probably would have just focused on Rhodey.

MCU is just too big to fail at the moment.

I'm sure people said the same thing about star wars too

[MindofShadow]

MCU is just too big to fail at the moment.

It isn't going to fail.

The only way there will be a change is if it underperforms in the box office, merchandise, and other statistics Disney has to a point where they feel the need to recast.

If disney feels like they lost money from a certain demographic (black) that they ddin't have before BP, that is the only way they recast to recoup the future money.

If it doesn't underperform enough, they will just let Kevin continue to do his thing and stay out of it because it isn't worth rocking the boat.


I honestly think the movie will do "good enough" where they won't rock the boat. They will get their "black goodwill pr" by pumping in Chadwick memorial type crap and bringing up his name every chance they get, they will get the woman PR by giving it to shuri or making okoye/nakia the main character, and they will get the usual MCU money and it will be good enough for them.

[BlackClaw]

I'm sure people said the same thing about star wars too

Exactly. If this movie ends becoming the MCU’s Last Jedi, there’s a chance they could change course.

[MindofShadow]

If they did a "Black Panther: Life Story" book.... who would you want to write it?

[dkrook]

I will admit that if RDJ died between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that they probably would have just focused on Rhodey.

MCU is just too big to fail at the moment.

I got a sneaking suspicion that while the first BP broke records in a positive way for Marvel, the BP2 movies will break the string of well received hits from Marvel. I feel that quick package system that is going to be exposed in this particular instance, and I'm not shy in stating that I want it to. The decision, whoever made it was wrong and needs correcting.

[Cville]

If they did a "Black Panther: Life Story" book.... who would you want to write it?

What's the premise of the FF one?

[chief12d]

I could definitely see him using Achebe as a chance to play with the “Joker” archetypal villain since he won’t really be able to do that with Jace Batman. I love Achebe and I keep praying he gets a great new story featuring him and T’Challa.

Yea Achebe is definitely due for a revival in this modern era. You make a good point how he’s basically T’Challa’s Joker and that Ridley may want to play with that. Technically Achebe did rule Wakanda at one point, he’d be aware of where Wakanda’s special agents were, all he’d need is the means to systematically take them out which could come from any number of sources. Really excited to see if he’s the villain of this first arc.

[Chesterfield]

Then you frakking delay the movie to find a cotdamn new leading actor to take on the role of the frakking franchise holder, not go "Oh remember those supporting characters, that while fun and we'll acted, are NOT set up to run the franchise? Yeah we are going to focus on them, all the while sealing away the biggest Black lead of all time away to honor a man who gave his life to allow others to be able to continue that role and Inspire millions"

This.

I don't want to crap on anyone for being excited about BP2 but for me, I just don't give a damn about it. No T'Challa renders a BP movie utterly stupid in principle.
I know the film won't bomb because it's a Marvel Studios movie and Coogler fundamentally won't make a terrible film. This film will be a financial hit if it crosses $700MILLION and I suspect it will. However, it won't be doing $1.3Billion like last time. If there was no pandemic and if T'Challa was the lead with or without Chadwick then this film is making nothing less than a $Billion....but whatever, the creative choice to omit the franchise's actual lead is too ass-backwards to remotely get excited or be happy about the existence of this film. I'm bitter AF about this whole fiasco.