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    Meh good for her I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaue's Mixtape View Post
    Michaela Coel is Aneka


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    Black Panther has not one but giant set pieces setup. Might have to fly over.

    All these big sets (finally) for World of Wakanda meets Namor. Just robbed of T'Challa.
    Aneka huh


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    Aneka huh

    Well one good thing to come out of T’Challa not being recast is that we won’t be subject to “no one man”. Lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
    Marvel Comics have had a hard time shaking off their soap opera roots. Relationships are often a source for adolescent melodrama... it's one of those tropes that writers go back to whenever they run out of ideas, like "Espionage agencies are corrupt" or "all utopias have dark secrets".

    Or: "Superhero monarchs are boring. We should have them lose the throne because of rebellion, invasion, or lack of popular support!"
    Exactly, the fact that no one can show a healthy relationship shows a lack of creativity and laziness. Again when Hudlin showed the relationship, as well as McDuffie and Liss, they were show. To be loving and respectful to each other. Sure couples will fight or disagree sometimes but if the whole angle with the relationship is "Such and such doesn't trust the other and is keeping secrets" then yeah, thats teen drama. Especially if it's every other issue.

    At the start BP and Storm were in a healthy relationship. Now it's toxic AF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Exactly, the fact that no one can show a healthy relationship shows a lack of creativity and laziness. Again when Hudlin showed the relationship, as well as McDuffie and Liss, they were show. To be loving and respectful to each other. Sure couples will fight or disagree sometimes but if the whole angle with the relationship is "Such and such doesn't trust the other and is keeping secrets" then yeah, thats teen drama. Especially if it's every other issue.

    At the start BP and Storm were in a healthy relationship. Now it's toxic AF
    Yea BP and Storm are more toxic than average because it’s not just individual characters at odds, but entire corners of the Marvel Universe lol. When the MO of the X-Office is self-victimization and constantly blaming/shaming non-mutant heroes for not getting involved in their stories you can’t possibly expect a healthy cross franchise romance. You have X-writers talking about stuntin on humans and now one of the most pro-mutant leaders of the X-Men is sleeping with one?

    A recipe for pure fuckery, this is why Storm should be with a mutant and T’Challa should stick to humans. The Krakoa era is built off of tension and occasional violence between the X-Men and other teams and institutions within the MU. The BP-Storm romance will always be tampered with and attacked in that kind of creative environment and T’Challa will always come off on the losing end because the X-office is the more influential/profitable division. Marvel wouldn’t even let the man kill C-list Namor lol, ain’t no way in hell he’s allowed to even verbally put down Storm or any X-Men for that matter.

    The romance has little other function than marketing and giving Storm the occasional “I’m a black woman and I don’t need no man” storyline so writers can make her feel relevant every now and then. And because T’Challa’s supporting cast mostly sucks BP writers feel obligated to include her because she’s the only consistent aspect of the mythos and they’re weirdly obsessed with the notion of a black power couple.
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    Some Black Panther inspiration on this Sun’s day.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1419347150702587907

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Morph View Post
    Really like the mask, the body is a tad bit overdesigned.
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
    Marvel Comics have had a hard time shaking off their soap opera roots. Relationships are often a source for adolescent melodrama... it's one of those tropes that writers go back to whenever they run out of ideas, like "Espionage agencies are corrupt" or "all utopias have dark secrets".

    Or: "Superhero monarchs are boring. We should have them lose the throne because of rebellion, invasion, or lack of popular support!"
    On that last point, I think the issue isn't so much that superhero monarchs are boring, but more like, "What gives them the right to rule over us aside from their bloodline(s) and/or their powers?" In light of how people have become increasingly aware and suspicious of concentrated power in fewer hands, if not a single pair of hands, the idea of a superpowered monarchy is also increasingly dubious in some corners, especially given that it could be interpreted as a (however unwitting) justification or endorsement of antidemocratic ideas and sentiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gessela View Post
    Some Black Panther inspiration on this Sun’s day.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1419347150702587907
    This is good. Thanks for sharing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Fair enough.



    On that last point, I think the issue isn't so much that superhero monarchs are boring, but more like, "What gives them the right to rule over us aside from their bloodline(s) and/or their powers?" In light of how people have become increasingly aware and suspicious of concentrated power in fewer hands, if not a single pair of hands, the idea of a superpowered monarchy is also increasingly dubious in some corners, especially given that it could be interpreted as a (however unwitting) justification or endorsement of antidemocratic ideas and sentiments.
    That may be, but superhero monarchs get deposed so often, they barely have time to do anything unethical. Look at Aquaman or Namor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
    That may be, but superhero monarchs get deposed so often, they barely have time to do anything unethical. Look at Aquaman or Namor.
    Yea every superhero that gets consistent publication is gonna go through the same story beats. How many times has Steve put down the shield and questioned America? How often does Tony lose his company? Thor being forced to take the throne of Asgard? T'Challa getting constantly deposed is no different than Aquaman going through the same. It's annoying and lazy most of the time unless there's a big twist and it leads somewhere interesting.

    But I could understand Huntsman Spider's point about being uncomfortable or outright opposed to superpowered monarchy. If you grow up in a democratic system it can become difficult to justify a system like Wakanda's. But that's where being able to separate the real and the fantastical comes into play as a writer/editor. Your job is to tell fun stories within the established mythos, trying to deconstruct core elements of said mythos removes what made it engaging for audiences in the first place.

    Liking Black Panther and telling stories where his unilateral leadership of Wakanda saves the day isn't anymore an endorsement of dictatorship than Tony Stark's control of Stark Industries is an endorsement of big business controlling every aspect of our government. Kingship is a storytelling device designed to streamline stories and appeal to humanity's desire for wish fulfillment. It should be embraced for the character's where that's a huge part of their identity, like T'Challa or the Inhumans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
    That may be, but superhero monarchs get deposed so often, they barely have time to do anything unethical. Look at Aquaman or Namor.
    Now that I think about it, T'Challa must be up there with other fictional monarchs who lost their throne the least as of now. Only once, when he was in coma and Shuri took over. There was also that business with the Panther Cult leadership due to Killmonger winning that tribal fight, but luckily, he died before officially coming into office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJlock View Post
    Now that I think about it, T'Challa must be up there with other fictional monarchs who lost their throne the least as of now. Only once, when he was in coma and Shuri took over. There was also that business with the Panther Cult leadership due to Killmonger winning that tribal fight, but luckily, he died before officially coming into office.
    Honestly depending on what happens in the MCU I can see T'Challa temporarily losing his throne again for synergy for a few years or so before getting it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaue's Mixtape View Post
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    Black Panther has not one but giant set pieces setup. Might have to fly over.

    All these big sets (finally) for World of Wakanda meets Namor. Just robbed of T'Challa.
    Duped, because I had already accepted the Internet rumours that she is playing Madame Slay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
    That may be, but superhero monarchs get deposed so often, they barely have time to do anything unethical. Look at Aquaman or Namor.
    Ha, good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    Yea every superhero that gets consistent publication is gonna go through the same story beats. How many times has Steve put down the shield and questioned America? How often does Tony lose his company? Thor being forced to take the throne of Asgard? T'Challa getting constantly deposed is no different than Aquaman going through the same. It's annoying and lazy most of the time unless there's a big twist and it leads somewhere interesting.

    But I could understand Huntsman Spider's point about being uncomfortable or outright opposed to superpowered monarchy. If you grow up in a democratic system it can become difficult to justify a system like Wakanda's. But that's where being able to separate the real and the fantastical comes into play as a writer/editor. Your job is to tell fun stories within the established mythos, trying to deconstruct core elements of said mythos removes what made it engaging for audiences in the first place.

    Liking Black Panther and telling stories where his unilateral leadership of Wakanda saves the day isn't anymore an endorsement of dictatorship than Tony Stark's control of Stark Industries is an endorsement of big business controlling every aspect of our government. Kingship is a storytelling device designed to streamline stories and appeal to humanity's desire for wish fulfillment. It should be embraced for the character's where that's a huge part of their identity, like T'Challa or the Inhumans.
    Fair points as well, although at least Tony Stark is a more ethical businessman compared to the likes of so many in real life, much less his in-universe rivals such as Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer (later succeeded by his daughter and granddaughter), Sunset Bain, Tiberius Stone, and even Norman Osborn. In the same vein, T'Challa is a good man and a good king, so it's not like he's doing the same kind of crap a lot of hereditary monarchs would be or have been doing in the real world. As to your point on deconstruction, the issue with Black Panther and deconstruction strikes me somewhat similarly to the whole issue of "deconstructing Superman," in that it's one thing to say that "in real life," someone with the kind of power possessed by Superman would inevitably abuse that power.

    It would be another to say Superman himself (or more relevant to this thread, Black Panther himself) is what's wrong, when what's wrong is that most people in reality can't fully live up to the ideals presented by Clark Kent/Kal-El or T'Challa, not to mention that deconstruction only really works to the degree that it is then followed by reconstruction. That said, it is important, too, to be able to tell the difference between reality and fiction or fantasy, insofar as not mistaking fictional or fantastical depictions of something for endorsing something similar in real life, like cyberpunk fiction depicting everything, including public services and goods, getting privatized and corporatized and how that tends to be a bleak, stark warning against that sort of thing happening in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofali View Post
    Duped, because I had already accepted the Internet rumours that she is playing Madame Slay.
    Would have much rather see her play Madame Slay, who is a unique female character, instead of just another Dora. I think Ayo and Okoye are enough Dora representation for the films.

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