T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[chief12d]

Well, I guess by mainstream comic standards, although Ridley has a pedigree outside comics and has dipped into some well-regarded books recently.

I wouldn’t say he’s a big name. People barely knew he did comic work before Jace Batman and I don’t think he’s even half as big as Coates was when he took on BP. Plus his current books aren’t exactly lighting up the charts either. I’d say he’s mid-tier, largely propped up by his social relevance through 12 Years a Slave. Very few people consider him an elite comic writer and he’s not seen as a trailblazer in the way relative newcomers like Donny Cates are.

[KingNomarch]

https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-xm...arvels-future/

Do we think that it's inevitable that Wakanda and Krakoa will ultimately go to war? And if there is a war, does T'Challa just assume command of all of Wakanda's militry forces including IGEW?

Maybe someday but not anytime soon. If and when it happens I won't be looking forward toward it.

Black Panther #1 debuted #23 in units and #19 in dollars

Hope the drop off isn’t too steep come issue 2.

Keep in mind that Ridley's run didn't receive the same marketing push that Coates got nor the MCU hype. Had Ridley's run or anyone else's have came out 2016-2019 the numbers would've been bigger. T'Challa was appearing a lot more outside of comics on roles that were more than just cameos or guest appearances. The only hype/interest that Ridley had to benefit from was the War For Wakanda dlc.

[chief12d]

Ridley’s run isn’t coming off one of the most celebrated comic runs in Marvel history with Hickman’s secret wars. It doesn’t have the MCU hype of CW. And Ridley is a B-list writer (both in and out of comics) with much less prestige and cultural influence than Coates. In addition to his most recent comic work being lukewarmly received among fans. Critics love him but neither the sales nor fan discourse seem to suggest he’s considered a Donny Cates or Al Ewing-level talent. Coates also had the benefit of BP not having a solo book in years, so there was a strong interest to see the character shine by himself after being part of New Avengers.

So Ridley didn’t get nearly as much marketing outside Alex Ross and Cabal, who very likely leave after the first few issues lol. He also has the disadvantage of the previous run selling extremely poorly roughly a third of the way through, so he has to win back fans who dropped BP and haven’t been reading since circa 2018. And he’s coming right after Coates so there’s a bunch of weariness about what’s next for the character, especially among the hardcore fans the book clearly needs to be viable. It’s not like the BP solo took an extended break to build back hype (which they seem to be doing with Cap). Doesn’t help that the #1 kept getting delayed. For a character that’s traditionally B/C-list in comic circles to sell that well with all these factors against it is admirable. But really it comes down to momentum, much of which is tied directly to quality and widespread fan interest.

[Ezyo1000]

I don’t know why people care if Akili can beat Pyro. It’s comics, if a writer wants to show that happening and provides the bare minimum explanation they can make it work. Besides, Wakanda pretty much never fights other superpowered-nations, they tend to fight hordes of monsters or technologically enhanced armies. We’re more likely to see Wakanda fight the Badoon or the United States than Krakoa or Attilan, that’s how it should be.

Wakanda doesn’t need no damn mutants to bolster its forces lol, all that does is make T’Challa less special and undermine the human themes that make Wakanda so great. Vibraxas and Muti are more than enough, maybe create a “heavy” infantry division of cybernetically enhanced beserkers for some extra manpower. Anything more than that is unnecessary, T’Challa’s strategic mind and battle tactics is more than enough to lead Wakanda to victory no matter the circumstances.

That's the thing, we don't even need heavy cybernetic forces. We got:
Infantry (WK army, DM, HZ and T'Challas personal Force with the sheathes)
Armored division
(Prowler's, Doomsday's guardians, panthertron nfrom AoW, hand of bast)
Air guard
(Royal talon, dragon fryer, Wakandan quinjet stelfreeze design, N'Yami motherships, and C. Boseman class helicarrier)

That's alot of fight power that can be utilized to handle threats to Wakanda.

Like you said, we are more likely to see them face the US over krakoa.butt we have been Wakandan forces take out heroes and villains so it's not impossible or out of the realm of possibility either.

WK is great because the tiny nation the size of New Jersey, spanks the isht out of forces all types of hyper advanced and/or Super powered armies because they are a warrior nation full of humanities best, lead by an elite among elites

[butterflykyss]

Not to be that gworl BUT I did mention many moons ago bp poor sales were not because of Coates and it was more a reflection of the market, as well as what readers put their money into. I want this series to do well but unless you are sm, batman, etc., type character sustaining strong comic sales in the current market us virtually impossible.

[Ezyo1000]

Not to be that gworl BUT I did mention many moons ago bp poor sales were not because of Coates and it was more a reflection of the market, as well as what readers put their money into. I want this series to do well but unless you are sm, batman, etc., type character sustaining strong comic sales in the current market us virtually impossible.

What are you even talking about? Coates poor sales were because he wrote a bad series. Period end of story. BP can sustain itself with a good plot, character development and art. Despite what articles say, Coates run was EXTREMELY subpar, from Strictly a story telling standpoint, even worse when you know it was a BP book.

[MindofShadow]

I don’t know why people care if Akili can beat Pyro. It’s comics, if a writer wants to show that happening and provides the bare minimum explanation they can make it work. Besides, Wakanda pretty much never fights other superpowered-nations, they tend to fight hordes of monsters or technologically enhanced armies. We’re more likely to see Wakanda fight the Badoon or the United States than Krakoa or Attilan, that’s how it should be.

Wakanda doesn’t need no damn mutants to bolster its forces lol, all that does is make T’Challa less special and undermine the human themes that make Wakanda so great. Vibraxas and Muti are more than enough, maybe create a “heavy” infantry division of cybernetically enhanced beserkers for some extra manpower. Anything more than that is unnecessary, T’Challa’s strategic mind and battle tactics is more than enough to lead Wakanda to victory no matter the circumstances.

I mean, Akili straight up walked up to a sorcerer with no fear and hit him with a gun. Hit. Him. With. A. Gun.

So, dudes got answers for people with powers.

He'd cripwalk up to Pyro and tickle him just to show him who is boss around here.

(... oh stelfreeze....)

[Marvell2100]

What are you even talking about? Coates poor sales were because he wrote a bad series. Period end of story. BP can sustain itself with a good plot, character development and art. Despite what articles say, Coates run was EXTREMELY subpar, from Strictly a story telling standpoint, even worse when you know it was a BP book.

Bro, just let that one go.

[Marvell2100]

Ridley’s run isn’t coming off one of the most celebrated comic runs in Marvel history with Hickman’s secret wars. It doesn’t have the MCU hype of CW. And Ridley is a B-list writer (both in and out of comics) with much less prestige and cultural influence than Coates. In addition to his most recent comic work being lukewarmly received among fans. Critics love him but neither the sales nor fan discourse seem to suggest he’s considered a Donny Cates or Al Ewing-level talent. Coates also had the benefit of BP not having a solo book in years, so there was a strong interest to see the character shine by himself after being part of New Avengers.

So Ridley didn’t get nearly as much marketing outside Alex Ross and Cabal, who very likely leave after the first few issues lol. He also has the disadvantage of the previous run selling extremely poorly roughly a third of the way through, so he has to win back fans who dropped BP and haven’t been reading since circa 2018. And he’s coming right after Coates so there’s a bunch of weariness about what’s next for the character, especially among the hardcore fans the book clearly needs to be viable. It’s not like the BP solo took an extended break to build back hype (which they seem to be doing with Cap). Doesn’t help that the #1 kept getting delayed. For a character that’s traditionally B/C-list in comic circles to sell that well with all these factors against it is admirable. But really it comes down to momentum, much of which is tied directly to quality and widespread fan interest.

Like I said, it's a good sign that it's the story that people are interested in.

[BlackClaw]

What are you even talking about? Coates poor sales were because he wrote a bad series. Period end of story. BP can sustain itself with a good plot, character development and art. Despite what articles say, Coates run was EXTREMELY subpar, from Strictly a story telling standpoint, even worse when you know it was a BP book.

Ezyo brother, let the past go. The future (in comics at least) is looking bright. Bring on the Ridleyverse!

[Ezyo1000]

I mean, Akili straight up walked up to a sorcerer with no fear and hit him with a gun. Hit. Him. With. A. Gun.

So, dudes got answers for people with powers.

He'd cripwalk up to Pyro and tickle him just to show him who is boss around here.

(... oh stelfreeze....)

That feat alot plus his standing long jobe made him easily Coates best OC created of all.

Again, Shuri channelling RJs alchemy power, Okoye, Wakandas best warrior second to T'Challa, and Akili sporting future soldier advanced technology, vibraxas, zavawari, and the MA if you need more bodies, led by T'Challa and backed by the serious machines of death WK has to offer? That's more Than enough characters to take on krakoa and have individual fights. This is a nation that repelled two and defeated two different armies and destroyed one of them outright and then taking on the others full force and only lost because the generals who were captured were released by maximus after this massive army failed twice to take WK.

[Ezyo1000]

Ezyo brother, let the past go. The future (in comics at least) is looking bright. Bring on the Ridleyverse!

Yeah, Ridleyverse of off to a good start, when does the next issue drop?

[KingNomarch]

Yeah, Ridleyverse of off to a good start, when does the next issue drop?

December 22

[butterflykyss]

What are you even talking about? Coates poor sales were because he wrote a bad series. Period end of story. BP can sustain itself with a good plot, character development and art. Despite what articles say, Coates run was EXTREMELY subpar, from Strictly a story telling standpoint, even worse when you know it was a BP book.

Coates book debuted number 1. what are you even talking about?

[BlackClaw]

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