T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Ezyo1000]

smh yall have so much a hard time giving this man any credit here i see. The concepts that acuna is given inspiration is due to Coates. This is his story brought to life via Acuna and from what I have see on twitter for those who liked the issue Tchalla us the nucleus here in this story. He isn't depending on xmen readers but he understands the MCU exists in a shared universe. Why wouldn't his allies aid him when his country is under attack from a empire that has taken over civilizations across the edge of the universe who is being led by a knull with a good portion of basics power?

I mean, unlike other fan bases we don't celebrate isht just because our character shows up. This isn't a good series. Not just from a BP standpoint but just from general story telling. Coates has zero pacing skills, his story is all over the place. He had this big speech in the last issue when they we're on the middle of a fight... Which got pushed till the end for a cliffhanger... Just for this issue it continue to be disjointed. And now he is out of issues and has to wrap up his 2 year story in 1 issue that we all know is going to be a huge flop. This is especially true since RJ already delivered a massive gut punch to Coates work by showing what a writer who knows comics and cares about the character can do.
Mos said it best:

sigh... the threat hasn't even been established. This is comic book 101. You have to establish the threat.

symKillmonger threat seems to be... Wakanda. Ok... that is small time sh*t you don't need all black heroes for lol.

either the threat is "galactic Wakanda is taking over earth" which is an EVENT LEVEL THREAT aka ALL HEROES ON DECK aka TAKE 6 MONTHS TO TELL THE STORY WITH MULTIPLE TIE INs...

or it is a Wakandan threat and Black Panther should his Wakandan assets can take care of it.

Fundamental sh*t man. If you are calling Blue Marvel in, the threat should be Earth based. Not this... sh*t.

And Frankly.... this should have been an easy story to tell.

It is Wakanda vs Future Wakanda. Which on paper means that Future Wakanda is about to wreck sh*t.

But... you show that "our" Wakanda is different because it has a Black Panther to defend it. That is the trump card. The Black Panther aka T'challa is the trump card. That is what makes Wakanda Wakanda. The Black Panther is Wakanda.

After 5 years, this is when you establish Wakanda NEEDS King T'challa the Black Panther. Sure, future galactic Wakanda is Wakanda but without the black panther, it is just another space empire.

This should be the culmination showing that the MA, Chang, and everyone else was wrong. Wakanda needs its King. And his name is T'challa.

But, black superheroes with Acuna art and overly talked action is cool too i guess :/

[butterflykyss]

Yes, for a proper story we need those two issues. That's what most if us are saying.

well how on earth is he going to add all of those stories when his run is concluding. I dont think that is fair criticism. saying it is slow or whatever ok I dont agree fine but he only has a limited amount of time to tell a story he is trying to conclude.

I love that people who think Coates BP work is good and happy it is received well can be attacked as trolls. Isn't personally attacking posters like a offense that is not allowed; seems very much like bullying but maybe a mod can provide clarity here. At any rate, I'm glad his writing is getting good reviews that clearly demonstrate that loud voices on this forum dont necessarily equate to what others outside the readers here think.

[Toonstrack]

This issue had some great art, but the wording was odd, I had a hard time following what exactly was supposed to be happening. Not the best of Coates stuff but I absolutely loved seeing all these characters(is Monica in ANY other book right now?? Jesus marvel). I'm excited for the great finale though.

I dont expect TChalla to do everything or resolve everything himself but I DO want him to have a more hands on role in this final issue if you know what I'm saying

[Cville]

well how on earth is he going to add all of those stories when his run is concluding. I dont think that is fair criticism. saying it is slow or whatever ok I dont agree fine but he only has a limited amount of time to tell a story he is trying to conclude.

I love that people who think Coates BP work is good and happy it is received well can be attacked as trolls. Isn't personally attacking posters like a offense that is not allowed; seems very much like bullying but maybe a mod can provide clarity here. At any rate, I'm glad his writing is getting good reviews that clearly demonstrate that loud voices on this forum dont necessarily equate to what others outside the readers here think.

The simplest way is to not add new characters at the end of the story. Tchalla has been back on Earth since issue 15. And all the issues between then and this week is mostly fluff. The only thing that mattered was Killmonger is back and the plane of memory is gone. If all these heroes helping in the final battle was the plan, and the two main plots only need one issue each, there are at least eight issues where that development could have happened. Three issues could have been just Tchalla traveling the world gathering allies, similar to the honeymoon tour.

[butterflykyss]

I mean, unlike other fan bases we don't celebrate isht just because our character shows up. This isn't a good series. Not just from a BP standpoint but just from general story telling. Coates has zero pacing skills, his story is all over the place. He had this big speech in the last issue when they we're on the middle of a fight... Which got pushed till the end for a cliffhanger... Just for this issue it continue to be disjointed. And now he is out of issues and has to wrap up his 2 year story in 1 issue that we all know is going to be a huge flop. This is especially true since RJ already delivered a massive gut punch to Coates work by showing what a writer who knows comics and cares about the character can do.
Mos said it best:

as I mentioned in another thread the responses I've seen on twitter regarding the issue have been all positive. a couple of reviews I have found were positive. its just odd the opposite occurs here but I respect it.

[butterflykyss]

The simplest way is to not add new characters at the end of the story. Tchalla has been back on Earth since issue 15. And all the issues between then and this week is mostly fluff. The only thing that mattered was Killmonger is back and the plane of memory is gone. If all these heroes helping in the final battle was the plan, and the two main plots only need one issue each, there are at least eight issues where that development could have happened. Three issues could have been just Tchalla traveling the world gathering allies, similar to the honeymoon tour.

he was trying to make the story feel epic by showing black heroes working together to fight against a common threat. for me, I dont need to see the back story or the how. we know why and its cool to see this which I think to this level was a first.

[Cville]

he was trying to make the story feel epic by showing black heroes working together to fight against a common threat. for me, I dont need to see the back story or the how. we know why and its cool to see this which I think to this level was a first.

Epicness is built on a foundation of small appearances and character development. Examples: Teen Titans final battle with the brotherhood of evil. Justice Leauge final battle with Darkseid. The characters used in the final battles are peppered throughout the season so when the big fight happens, nobody has to ask "who is this"?

[Ekie]

he was trying to make the story feel epic by showing black heroes working together to fight against a common threat. for me, I dont need to see the back story or the how. we know why and its cool to see this which I think to this level was a first.

I think everyone here agrees that there is a cool aspect to seeing all black heros unite. The problem is that the writter failed to make it make any sense whatsoever as to why it was necessary.
If this was a super powered neo-nazi invasion that Wakanda was somehow...someway.....against all logic....incapable of squashing themselves then yea! Call them all and only them just to prove a point.

But

This is just an invasion that is supposed to be serious enough to warrent outside help involving a nation that does not welcome outsiders (Black or White). It hurts the story by having a race barrier placed on who gets to help save the world if its really that serious.

Good message...poorly executed.

[butterflykyss]

Epicness is built on a foundation of small appearances and character development. Examples: Teen Titans final battle with the brotherhood of evil. Justice Leauge final battle with Darkseid. The characters used in the final battles are peppered throughout the season so when the big fight happens, nobody has to ask "who is this"?

I do think that Coates had to reshuffle this story due to covid and due to his run ending. I also believe that the run was one of the many that were canceled due to covid but those readers who campaigned to see his run finished properly allowed for it to be concluded. that said, there were variables outside of his control but in the overall big picture I think it is minor detail to not show the build up to how each character who joined the fight were invited to defend wakanda.

I think everyone here agrees that there is a cool aspect to seeing all black heros unite. The problem is that the writter failed to make it make any sense whatsoever as to why it was necessary.
If this was a super powered neo-nazi invasion that Wakanda was somehow...someway.....against all logic....incapable of squashing themselves then yea! Call them all and only them just to prove a point.

But

This is just an invasion that is supposed to be serious enough to warrent outside help. It hurts the story by having a race barrier placed on who gets to help save the world if its really that serious.

Good message...poorly executed.

but how many stories have we seen where all the big players are white ? he's showing black people fighting in solidarity with one another but not just any black people, superheroes who all happen to be black.

[Ekie]

I do think that Coates had to reshuffle this story due to covid and due to his run ending. I also believe that the run was one of the many that were canceled due to covid but those readers who campaigned to see his run finished properly allowed for it to be concluded. that said, there were variables outside of his control but in the overall big picture I think it is minor detail to not show the build up to how each character who joined the fight were invited to defend wakanda.



but how many stories have we seen where all the big players are white ? he's showing black people fighting in solidarity with one another but not just any black people, superheroes who all happen to be black.

Like i said the message is great. But its just as problematic as it would be for a white writter to have Captain America call friends from outside the US for help like Captain Britain, Black Knight, ect ect with ALL being white heros inoder to save the US from a worldwide threat...yet somehow not call Tchalla to help out.
Its poor storytelling and doesnt make sense.

I mean cloak is in Wakanda without dagger...why?

We've seen and loved many all black teamups and usually theres a good reason for it. Theres no reason for all these ppl to have a plane ticket to Africa other than to just do it for fun.
Good message...poor execution

[Cville]

I do think that Coates had to reshuffle this story due to covid and due to his run ending. I also believe that the run was one of the many that were canceled due to covid but those readers who campaigned to see his run finished properly allowed for it to be concluded. that said, there were variables outside of his control but in the overall big picture I think it is minor detail to not show the build up to how each character who joined the fight were invited to defend wakanda.



but how many stories have we seen where all the big players are white ? he's showing black people fighting in solidarity with one another but not just any black people, superheroes who all happen to be black.

It wasn't canceled due to covid. The end was announced before covid shut comics down. It would have ended last July without the delay. So this is what was planned.

[MindofShadow]

If you are going to have black heroes unite, u need to build up to why they need to.

Coates didn't do that. They were just there suddenly.

Wakanda has never been a beacon of blackness in the comics. Wakandans dont like anyone... black white purple green. If you arent wakandan, they dont care

This is pandering. Which was fine a decade ago. We can do better ow. Now its insulting. "You should like this bc black heroes".. umm no. Dont need scraps, thsnks.

Shit, look at the hudlin vampire arc. In story reason why those black heroes happened to be there. Easy. He made it make some comic sense then had fun with it. Im not asking for yhe world... just dont insult me as a reader having Rage and Oya there but not cap and reed and strange too.

[butterflykyss]

It wasn't canceled due to covid. The end was announced before covid shut comics down. It would have ended last July without the delay. So this is what was planned.

I thought they were supposed to release it last year but when covid hit it wasnt without an official date as to when it would be until towards the end of the year. people even kept asking editors when was it going to be released

[Cville]

I thought they were supposed to release it last year but when covid hit it wasnt without an official date as to when it would be until towards the end of the year. people even kept asking editors when was it going to be released

We were asking because we knew there were only three issues left so why delay them when other books were coming out. Turned out to be pandering for Black History Month.

There is an article from March of last year saying it was ending in June.

[chief12d]

I mean, unlike other fan bases we don't celebrate isht just because our character shows up. This isn't a good series. Not just from a BP standpoint but just from general story telling. Coates has zero pacing skills, his story is all over the place. He had this big speech in the last issue when they we're on the middle of a fight... Which got pushed till the end for a cliffhanger... Just for this issue it continue to be disjointed. And now he is out of issues and has to wrap up his 2 year story in 1 issue that we all know is going to be a huge flop. This is especially true since RJ already delivered a massive gut punch to Coates work by showing what a writer who knows comics and cares about the character can do.
Mos said it best:

This is true. You don’t see BP fans trying to convince She-Hulk and Thor fans that Aaron’s Avengers is a masterpiece lol. I and several other people in this thread have been able to recognize the bullshit directions the book takes many of the characters while politely saying “I don’t care” because T’Challa’s out there getting feats/competence porn. I’d be much more open to praise of Coates if it wasn’t so blatantly obvious that for a subset of readers it’s about putting down any criticisms simply because a particular character/demographic is getting disproportionate attention in the Black Panther title.

At least we’re honest about our priorities lol. And two reviews from writers who probably never read the Priest run and a couple nice tweets from people with the same history/agendas doesn’t change what is by every standard of measurement a floundering book. Even if you leave the echo chambers of Twitter (where of course a gimmick like throwing in a bunch of D-list black heroes like Prodigy is gonna garner acclaim) you’ll find that many comic fans have been turned off by Coates, which sales have consistently indicated. Once again, looking forward to this run ending on a low note and with very little truly contributed to the future of the franchise. Hopefully Marvel sees Coates’ failure and puts their best foot forward in the relaunch, where we don’t have to worry about Storm, Prodigy, space Wakanda, Midnight Angels.

It really does speak to the company’s low opinion of black people to begin with by letting a dude with ZERO experience in writing fiction be the chaperone of a rising IP like Black Panther. Coates woulda got his ass laughed out the door if he tried to write Thor with those same lack of credentials, because editors actually like that character and don’t want someone without the chops to screw him over. It took 3 years ruining T’Challa before they gave him Captain America. Marvel thinks as long as you’re black and know politics you can write Black Panther. Disappointing but not surprising.