T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[BlackClaw]

How many issues do we have until the Coates run ends? I am so ready for the next creative team. Its sad that even when his issues come out, there's barely interesting topics to discuss and debate.

It ends next month, assuming it doesn’t get pushed back AGAIN for some asinine reason.

[skyvolt2000]

It ends next month, assuming it doesn’t get pushed back AGAIN for some asinine reason.

Well before someone comes into here to brag about Coates winning..


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BLACK PANTHER #25 GLEASON STORMBREAKERS VAR $5.99 MARVEL COMICS
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the 3rd and 14th most re-order books.

Two variant covers. Out of the 12.

Not all 12 but 2.

[The tall man]

When Thor was deemed no longer worthy and loss his hammer and own name to Jane Foster a lot of people were upset that she didn't get to keep it. They wanted her to remain Thor or share the mantle. When Logan died and X23 took on the mantle of Wolverine a lot of people were upset when Logan came back and reclaimed his mantle. Why did he have to come back some said, Laura is Wolverine now they said, they should share the name. The same would be said about T'challa and the mantle of Black Panther, he doesn't need it back; Shuri is Black Panther and of course accusations of sexism would be leveled. It's always the same story and in the story the replacements are always seen as better than the original. Jane is the better Thor, X23 is the better Wolverine and of course the inevitable Shuri is the better Black Panther would be said.

[Cville]

Well before someone comes into here to brag about Coates winning..


https://bleedingcool.com/comics/tmnt...ance-reorders/



the 3rd and 14th most re-order books.

Two variant covers. Out of the 12.

Not all 12 but 2.

How is this winning? Variants aren't large orders. Retailers probably only ordered a few and need more. And Momoko variants are hot regardless of who the book is for. They always end up at CGC for grading.

[chief12d]

When Thor was deemed no longer worthy and loss his hammer and own name to Jane Foster a lot of people were upset that she didn't get to keep it. They wanted her to remain Thor or share the mantle. When Logan died and X23 took on the mantle of Wolverine a lot of people were upset when Logan came back and reclaimed his mantle. Why did he have to come back some said, Laura is Wolverine now they said, they should share the name. The same would be said about T'challa and the mantle of Black Panther, he doesn't need it back; Shuri is Black Panther and of course accusations of sexism would be leveled. It's always the same story and in the story the replacements are always seen as better than the original. Jane is the better Thor, X23 is the better Wolverine and of course the inevitable Shuri is the better Black Panther would be said.

In the MCU I definitely expect this to be said because we never got to see T’Challa actually grow into his full form lol. Dude was a neophyte isolationist king the majority of his debut film and never got to inhabit the moral complexity, feats, and major story arcs of his comic counterpart. All we got is an origin. Coogler would have to really screw up to not do a better job with a different BP, especially since they’ll be using T’Challa’s stories and rogues while also having much more time to develop his replacement. It is what it is on that front.

Comics are a different story, outside the stans and a handful of people on Twitter no one is really saying Jane or X-23 were better characters than their predecessors and said predecessors are only a good run away from being accepted back as the true owner of their mantle. No one’s threatening to not buy Thor just because Jane is Valkyrie now and absolutely no one cares about what happened to Amadeus with Bruce thriving in Immortal Hulk lol. The originals always remain more popular in the comics. And I doubt T’Challa gets replaced for as long as they did since I still don’t believe Marvel will be killing him off. They may do what they’re doing in Daredevil and hand the mantle off for an arc or two in the not so distant future but I don’t see the character dying for 2-3 years while Shuri tries and fails to hold a solo.

[CosmiComic]

When Thor was deemed no longer worthy and loss his hammer and own name to Jane Foster a lot of people were upset that she didn't get to keep it. They wanted her to remain Thor or share the mantle. When Logan died and X23 took on the mantle of Wolverine a lot of people were upset when Logan came back and reclaimed his mantle. Why did he have to come back some said, Laura is Wolverine now they said, they should share the name. The same would be said about T'challa and the mantle of Black Panther, he doesn't need it back; Shuri is Black Panther and of course accusations of sexism would be leveled. It's always the same story and in the story the replacements are always seen as better than the original. Jane is the better Thor, X23 is the better Wolverine and of course the inevitable Shuri is the better Black Panther would be said.

Well, maybe comics should stick with their changes instead of backtracking due to the reverse backlash. Or reuse hero names if they're not sure

[MindofShadow]

There were two panthers for years. Wasn't really abig deal. THe big deal is that T'challa never got his triumpherant redemption story when he returned back to being the king.

But anyway

The real question is, who is T'challa's favorite Mortal Kombat character

[Ezyo1000]

Yeah, I'm fully behind her being her own hero, separate from but connected to BP.



IMO Miles' power set is basically Peter's but better. But I just think it's easier for everyone to have a separate name so I don't have to then use their real name afterwards

I don't mind Shuri having the same or similar power set, considering she's based on him in a way, but I can how her alchemist power set makes her a bit more distinct.

It's also different though, like he has those venom blast things and then he can also turn invisible I believe. That makes him different enough from Peter whilst peter has more tech at his disposal.

Shuri just needed to be different altogether. Have the same powerset is boring and is redundant. But Redjacks tie in? Shuris power was unique and adds a layer and power for T'Challa to utilize and gives her an angle to grow so when she eventually is able to have her own adventures and rogues, she has villain's and threats unique to her that are different from T'Challa. And that also allows different threat's to see Wakanda handle

[CosmiComic]

It's also different though, like he has those venom blast things and then he can also turn invisible I believe. That makes him different enough from Peter whilst peter has more tech at his disposal.

Shuri just needed to be different altogether. Have the same powerset is boring and is redundant. But Redjacks tie in? Shuris power was unique and adds a layer and power for T'Challa to utilize and gives her an angle to grow so when she eventually is able to have her own adventures and rogues, she has villain's and threats unique to her that are different from T'Challa. And that also allows different threat's to see Wakanda handle

That's what I meant. The invisibility and venom blast makr Miles' powers better IMO.

Anyway, I don't think she needs separate villains or anything like that. Just a different codename

[skyvolt2000]

How is this winning? Variants aren't large orders. Retailers probably only ordered a few and need more. And Momoko variants are hot regardless of who the book is for. They always end up at CGC for grading.

It's not. Yet that person will scream it is because it's on the re-order list. Because the narrative will be the "black excellence" shown and their character was in it.

As we saw with the Carnage variant-gave the book 5K more order and that was the same number it lost the next issue.

[skyvolt2000]

When Thor was deemed no longer worthy and loss his hammer and own name to Jane Foster a lot of people were upset that she didn't get to keep it. They wanted her to remain Thor or share the mantle. When Logan died and X23 took on the mantle of Wolverine a lot of people were upset when Logan came back and reclaimed his mantle. Why did he have to come back some said, Laura is Wolverine now they said, they should share the name. The same would be said about T'challa and the mantle of Black Panther, he doesn't need it back; Shuri is Black Panther and of course accusations of sexism would be leveled. It's always the same story and in the story the replacements are always seen as better than the original. Jane is the better Thor, X23 is the better Wolverine and of course the inevitable Shuri is the better Black Panther would be said.

It's not that the replacements are better.

It's the fact those replacement finally got a book that allowed an expansion of who they are without fear of getting axed at issue 6 or 11. Along with those books getting shelf space.

Now in some cases the replacement gets a new name and stays around. Jean Paul had an 100 issue run as Azrael. Nightwing will always have a book. If it was not for Dc editors Cassandra Cain and Stephanie would have had the same.

Shuri as herself or Panther could not last more than a year. However as Panther she only has really one volume. As herself she has way more including novels.

[MindofShadow]

Replacements generally have a set story the writer once to tell. So you can get a handful of really really really good arcs because there is a planned beginning and end.

Because you know the main dude is coming back sooner or later.

That is why they are adapting Jane Thor. The premise is fantastic. What actually somewhat messed up the premise in the comics it sold so well... Aaron had to drag it out. And then he coudln't deliever the gut punch of her actually dying at hte end bc she sells too well. I'd almost bet the house Jane is gonna die of cancer in the movie becuase that story naturally has that gut punch ending.

[Ezyo1000]

That's what I meant. The invisibility and venom blast makr Miles' powers better IMO.

Anyway, I don't think she needs separate villains or anything like that. Just a different codename

Different villains are needed of she is to develop as her own character. And that's okay. But of all she is doing is reusing T'Challas rogues then she doesn't need a code name and just remain a supporting cast member to T'Challa to be used occasionally a couple times ab arc or something

[CosmiComic]

It's not that the replacements are better.

It's the fact those replacement finally got a book that allowed an expansion of who they are without fear of getting axed at issue 6 or 11. Along with those books getting shelf space.

Now in some cases the replacement gets a new name and stays around. Jean Paul had an 100 issue run as Azrael. Nightwing will always have a book. If it was not for Dc editors Cassandra Cain and Stephanie would have had the same.

Shuri as herself or Panther could not last more than a year. However as Panther she only has really one volume. As herself she has way more including novels.

Yeah, I can see the motivation behind that. Especially with how quickly those characters get cancelled.

[CosmiComic]

Different villains are needed of she is to develop as her own character. And that's okay. But of all she is doing is reusing T'Challas rogues then she doesn't need a code name and just remain a supporting cast member to T'Challa to be used occasionally a couple times ab arc or something

But most heroes don't have their own rogues from what I've seen. She can still be her own hero without having to fight someone elsw