T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Cville]

Out of curiosity

Do you guys like "boring name" tribes like Mining, River, Merchant, Border, Jabari

or "cool name" tribes like Crocodile, Lion, Hyena, Panther, White Gorialla, ect


I was in no one bias calling one cool name and one boring name lol

I like them all.

But I appreciated the movie names more because except for the Jabari, the others seem more like guilds than tribes. People would be free to move from one to the other based on what job they want to do.

The animal ones could be the tribes from all over with people joining one of the five when they get older.

[chief12d]

I like this this works too, though i would change it to T'Challa is the super genius superhero warrior King. Greatest warrior I(as it encompasses everything including H2H) in Wakanda and the most dangerous man alive.

And Kasper/Akili Head of the HZ and Wakandas central intelligence/espionage/counterterrorists branch. If Okoye is T'Challas right hand, then Kasper/ Akili is his left

That makes sense, T’Challa isn’t just the greatest H2H fighter in Wakanda, he’s the greatest overall warrior, which includes strategy, tactics, and leadership. And of course he’s the most dangerous man alive because of his conniving mind and ability to strike where/when his enemies least expect.

Yea that’s the way I imagine it. Okoye is the right hand in the field for conventional conventional conflicts and the like. Akili/Kasper is the right hand for espionage and counterterrorism, the left hand.

I remember that now.. your right that we want the cast to not be stiff. I liked Priest Zuri, S'yan might be redundant though, I really don't think mcu Shuri works for the comics. Mu Shuri has been through too much isht. But I would probably turn Akili/Kasper, into kinda very light deadpool type (Merc with a mouth type, not what he is now) where they have a somewhat dark sense of humor just given the requirements of their position. Combined that with T'Challa having some deadpan humor that Ewing gave him in ultimates and we should be Golden lol

I still think warrior-priest Zuri could be interesting. He gets resurrected and has a come to Bast moment where he starts learning the ways of magic and the Panther Cult. Maybe you reveal he comes from a family of priests and that he has a natural knack for it. Keep the comic personality but I think a writer could shift him into his MCU niche. He doesn’t even really need to be a spellcaster, maybe his magic allows him to summon weapons or something, so he can still be a warrior and a magician. I also think MCU Shuri’s personality works if a writer finally just says that with the weight of the throne no longer on her shoulders, she can loosen up.

She regains her sense of wonder as leader of the Wakandan Design Group and is trying her best to be more approachable so she build relationships and get over her traumas as BP. There was a story to tell there about all the shit she went through that could’ve been used to justify her becoming more quippy and lighthearted but we never got that. I agree Akili/Kasper could also be made funnier, a darker sense of humor makes sense given his role. And T’Challa himself doesn’t have to be too stale if he has the humor that Ewing and to a lesser extent Hudlin gave him. But I think he’s funniest when he works as the straight man. M’Baku being a bit of a goofball behind his aggressive personality like in the MCU has potential and if you lean into the Olenna Tyrell stuff with Ramonda she could be really funny too.

[Ekie]

Out of curiosity

Do you guys like "boring name" tribes like Mining, River, Merchant, Border, Jabari

or "cool name" tribes like Crocodile, Lion, Hyena, Panther, White Gorialla, ect


I was in no one bias calling one cool name and one boring name lol

I hate it.
They all should be animal themed

[chief12d]

Out of curiosity

Do you guys like "boring name" tribes like Mining, River, Merchant, Border, Jabari

or "cool name" tribes like Crocodile, Lion, Hyena, Panther, White Gorialla, ect


I was in no one bias calling one cool name and one boring name lol

I think the boring names are good as the overarching tribe names and that the ones based on animals work better for specific clans within them. So let’s say the Crocodile, Fish, and Flamingo clans are all apart of the River Tribe cultural grouping, which is distinct from the Lion and Hyena clans of the Mining Tribe. The Golden Tribe can be a bit of an exception, they’re the descendants of Bashenga and his first followers, they don’t have any composite clans.

I think the Panther Tribe should be a kind of pan-Wakandan cultural identity less based around tribal affiliation and more related to worship of the Panther God. Everyone (except the Jabari) are part of the Panther Tribe, no matter what clan/tribe they come from as long as they recognize Bast as their main god.

[MindofShadow]

There was a story to tell there...... but we never got that.

That is like the BP mythos in a nutshell lol

I mentioned this long ago when this stupid living death thing started.

If they wanted to go that route of Griot, the way they did it was stupid.

A much better story is when T'challa brought everything back, including his sister, Shuri just came back different. Her time as BP was rough as hell... Doom War, AvX, Black Order, and then finally Thanos destorying Wakanda while the world did nothing... ending with her sacrificing herself to keep T'challa alive (aka suicide basically)... and then she dind't even get to die, she got stuck in some living death thing.

Havng her come back from that basically broken and she has to find herself (I mentioned going on a walkabout and when doing that she discovers this connection to magic) would have been a lot better than sitting around tlaking to some "mother" who I don't even understand what or who she is lol.

Hell... maybe after getting a taste of living death, the idea of fighting on the front lines isn't the most appealing thing in the world... so she goes back ot her "tech" background instead.

Sigh

[Ezyo1000]

That makes sense, T’Challa isn’t just the greatest H2H fighter in Wakanda, he’s the greatest overall warrior, which includes strategy, tactics, and leadership. And of course he’s the most dangerous man alive because of his conniving mind and ability to strike where/when his enemies least expect.

Yea that’s the way I imagine it. Okoye is the right hand in the field for conventional conventional conflicts and the like. Akili/Kasper is the right hand for espionage and counterterrorism, the left hand.



I still think warrior-priest Zuri could be interesting. He gets resurrected and has a come to Bast moment where he starts learning the ways of magic and the Panther Cult. Maybe you reveal he comes from a family of priests and that he has a natural knack for it. Keep the comic personality but I think a writer could shift him into his MCU niche. He doesn’t even really need to be a spellcaster, maybe his magic allows him to summon weapons or something, so he can still be a warrior and a magician. I also think MCU Shuri’s personality works if a writer finally just says that with the weight of the throne no longer on her shoulders, she can loosen up.

She regains her sense of wonder as leader of the Wakandan Design Group and is trying her best to be more approachable so she build relationships and get over her traumas as BP. There was a story to tell there about all the shit she went through that could’ve been used to justify her becoming more quippy and lighthearted but we never got that. I agree Akili/Kasper could also be made funnier, a darker sense of humor makes sense given his role. And T’Challa himself doesn’t have to be too stale if he has the humor that Ewing and to a lesser extent Hudlin gave him. But I think he’s funniest when he works as the straight man. M’Baku being a bit of a goofball behind his aggressive personality like in the MCU has potential and if you lean into the Olenna Tyrell stuff with Ramonda she could be really funny too.

Yeah, basically T'Challa has the shrewdest mind in Wakanda, it's a culmination of things, like a jack of all trades, Shuri has the brightest mind in Wakanda as she is always looking towards the future and making Wakanda unmatched in technology but she is very straightforward about it. She is smarter then T'Challa is a straight scientifical standpoint ie, if Shuris intellect is 11 then T'Challas is 10. However, he sees things from an orthodox and unorthodox manner, while Shuri only operates in the orthodox. But she also is an alchemist so she combines magic with tech so that's her lane. T'Challa is able to keep up though without issue despite not being a "specialist".

Honestly I see Zuri as a warrior, maybe as he ages he leans to the spiritual side, but he is a warrior at heart.

Shuri... Maybe her sense of wonder can come from being less on the front lines leading, and being more in the lab like in say Redjacks KiB. She is "on The front lines" without actually being on the front lines. And she learned from her time as BP the weight one carries and has a new level of respect for how T'Challa is able to do so while keeping calm and sane.

I like characters with dark senses of humor as their coping. I just think that 1-2 Characters would be best that are actively joking Characters. So Zuri, while Shuri has a more younger sister type vibe when around T'Challa.

Then M'Baku can be more like his MCU counterpart of he and T'Challa "buried the hatchet" and they realize again why they were such good friends in the past. And finally, T'Challas humor comes deadpan

[Ezyo1000]

I think the boring names are good as the overarching tribe names and that the ones based on animals work better for specific clans within them. So let’s say the Crocodile, Fish, and Flamingo clans are all apart of the River Tribe cultural grouping, which is distinct from the Lion and Hyena clans of the Mining Tribe. The Golden Tribe can be a bit of an exception, they’re the descendants of Bashenga and his first followers, they don’t have any composite clans.

I think the Panther Tribe should be a kind of pan-Wakandan cultural identity less based around tribal affiliation and more related to worship of the Panther God. Everyone (except the Jabari) are part of the Panther Tribe, no matter what clan/tribe they come from as long as they recognize Bast as their main god.

I like this. That works the best I think, boring names for the "tribe" then the clans fall into animals that best fit the category ie crocodile = River

[Besouro]

It should have been a story of T'challa bringing it back IMHO

Just like it should have been a story T'challa triumphantly getting the throne/title back.

Just like it should have been a story where T'challa goes, "yo WTF BAST?" lol

There also should have been a story of what Tchalla was doing with the Time gem after Secret Wars and before Infinity wars.

[The tall man]

With regards to combining magic with technology, didn't T'Challa already do something like that with Shadow Physics? If anything Shuri should be the one dealing with straight technology as the leading Wakandan scientist, and T'Challa should be the one combining technology with magic; with his connection to Bast and all.

[MindofShadow]

With regards to combining magic with technology, didn't T'Challa already do something like that with Shadow Physics? If anything Shuri should be the one dealing with straight technology as the leading Wakandan scientist, and T'Challa should be the one combining technology with magic; with his connection to Bast and all.

Shadow physics was a cool line that resulted in a shitty teleporter and i think some colored swords lol

I have no problem with SHuri doing more with that.

Plus the less referencecs to Doom War, the better

[CosmiComic]

There also should have been a story of what Tchalla was doing with the Time gem after Secret Wars and before Infinity wars.

Maybe he could have a mini-series where he uses the time stone to go back and forth in time to see alternate realities. A What If? focused mostly on BP and Wakanda

[mbeezy561]

Out of curiosity

Do you guys like "boring name" tribes like Mining, River, Merchant, Border, Jabari

or "cool name" tribes like Crocodile, Lion, Hyena, Panther, White Gorialla, ect


I was in no one bias calling one cool name and one boring name lol

I'm fine with them. I've always kind of interpreted it was The animals names were the religions and some tribes praticed a particular religion more heavily than others. Like the Jabari Tribe are all White Gorilla followers. The River tribe may consist of majority Crocodile cult followers.

[DigiCom]

Out of curiosity

Do you guys like "boring name" tribes like Mining, River, Merchant, Border, Jabari

or "cool name" tribes like Crocodile, Lion, Hyena, Panther, White Gorialla, ect


I was in no one bias calling one cool name and one boring name lol

I'd rather have names that actually come from Xhosa, isiZulu, or Hausa.

[mbeezy561]

One of the things I wish they would do with the Black Panther Mythos is bring hunter back in either a mini or as a supporting character. He's just as calculating as T'challa and a Loyalist to the Wakandan Throne. As much as I loved David Liss's run on BP. I think Hunter being characterized as a crazed murderer who was Jealous of T'challa was the ONE thing he got wrong.

T'challa banned hunter because of his brutal methods, Hunter said that T'chaka not only knew about his methods but he ordered them. I tend to believe that, and I could see S'yan keeping them in place as well. Him and T'challa were at odds, but he loved Ramonda and Vice-Versa. I think his Royal Status should be restored.

[chief12d]

Yeah, basically T'Challa has the shrewdest mind in Wakanda, it's a culmination of things, like a jack of all trades, Shuri has the brightest mind in Wakanda as she is always looking towards the future and making Wakanda unmatched in technology but she is very straightforward about it. She is smarter then T'Challa is a straight scientifical standpoint ie, if Shuris intellect is 11 then T'Challas is 10. However, he sees things from an orthodox and unorthodox manner, while Shuri only operates in the orthodox. But she also is an alchemist so she combines magic with tech so that's her lane. T'Challa is able to keep up though without issue despite not being a "specialist".

Honestly I see Zuri as a warrior, maybe as he ages he leans to the spiritual side, but he is a warrior at heart.

Shuri... Maybe her sense of wonder can come from being less on the front lines leading, and being more in the lab like in say Redjacks KiB. She is "on The front lines" without actually being on the front lines. And she learned from her time as BP the weight one carries and has a new level of respect for how T'Challa is able to do so while keeping calm and sane.

I like characters with dark senses of humor as their coping. I just think that 1-2 Characters would be best that are actively joking Characters. So Zuri, while Shuri has a more younger sister type vibe when around T'Challa.

Then M'Baku can be more like his MCU counterpart of he and T'Challa "buried the hatchet" and they realize again why they were such good friends in the past. And finally, T'Challas humor comes deadpan

I agree. Like MoS said, it would’ve been better to have Shuri find herself post-Secret Wars rather than having story time with “Mother” lol. That way you could get the aspects you laid out as far as her being Wakanda’s greatest mind and kinda transitioning away from the field a bit in favor of satiating her need for more knowledge (both in terms of science and alchemy). She sees things as more of a binary, fitting her younger, more straightforward personality, but T’Challa sees the gray and approaches problems in a more unorthodox way.

Combine that mindset with a bit of quip and little sister sass and I think Shuri not only can be a lighthearted supporting character to T’Challa, but have enough personality to carry her own series with the right direction. I also agree M’Baku could work too if you’re looking for less dry side characters. He can reach some kind of respectful agreement with T’Challa over their ideologies and he can be a bright spot in T’Challa’s cast with the MCU influences.

Shadow physics was a cool line that resulted in a shitty teleporter and i think some colored swords lol

I have no problem with SHuri doing more with that.

Plus the less referencecs to Doom War, the better

That’s basically how I feel now. T’Challa is Wakanda’s greatest warrior and the visionary prep god with a plan, Shuri is Wakanda’s brightest mind in the sciences while using alchemy as a supplement. That said, just because Shuri dabbles in mysticism doesn’t mean T’Challa doesn’t either. Shuri’s magic connections come from the ancestors and Wakanda’s collective spirit while T’Challa’s comes directly from the gods, that’s an important distinction.

She can access the Djalia and (with the aid of tech) use it to manifest new forms of matter and energy but T’Challa is the one conversing directly with Bast and using her blessings aka KOTD. One day I promise y’all someone will make it work lol. That’s why I think they need to soft retcon away Shuri’s necromancy powers of Griot, so that can remain T’Challa’s specialty outside his regular arsenal (kinetic suit/anti-metal claws/energy daggers).