I don't personally find Jabari to be boring. I'm fine with White Gorilla and Jabari used interchangeably. But I do think "River" and "Border" are pretty dull. I'm sure the pan-African translations that are common in Wakanda (i.e., translating to random African languages without any real consistency) is problematic, but I like the idea of choosing a tribal name that isn't just an English word.
Absolutely kick-ass theme song.
It's a very faithful adaptation of Hudlin's first arc. I thought it did a great job, but I wish it had continued past that since there's some obvious cliffhangers. That being said, the main cliffhanger was the Cannibal and, frankly, I don't recall that having a satisfactory ending in the comics either.
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I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
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I respect all the characters on this list but Lynn sounds like the very definitive definition on a perpetual damsel in distress....give her superpowers either as an Inhuman, a non-Xmen affiliated mutant, a latent Eternal, a super-skrull, last descendant of some ancient cosmic being, whatever as long as she brings more to BP mythos beyond just being Tchalla's sperm recipient,screaming and crying and quivering and being utterly helpless and non-contributive in any practical way.
Not really....I am more interested in the 1st born son/Tchalla's the elder brother who was killed during an assasination attempt in Hudlin's run than in Hunter.
We need more from Hunter other than being the resident white guy in Wakanda....with all the resources and spy networks he has, why hasn't he found his real biological family?!?
Tchalla would most DEFINITELY know the answers.
Personally, I would make Hunter the lost prince of a alien civilisation. During an assasination attempt killing Hunter's dad while his mum flees with him. She is chased by assassins who were able to destroy his shop in Earth's orbit but she was able to shoot out Hunter in a pod which crash landed in Wakanda.
Tchalla later tells Hunter of his origins and help Hunter regain his throne against the ursurpers. Hunter is immensely grateful and given his loyalty to Wakanda decides to make his alien kingdom a part of Wakanda cemented in marriage to Shuri.
Hunter's aggressions against Tchalla will decline but micro aggressions will persist even though atbthenens of the day they still love each other as brothers.
With the annex and/partnership with Hunter's alien kingdom....sparks the honest beginnings towards the Inter-galactic Empire of Wakanda starting with inter-planetary trade agreements, then inter-star systems security unions, then inter-galactic treaties, etc
Thanks, I think you and Mik got the right idea too. If a writer wants to deal with solarpunk, juxtaposing the egalitarian, green nation of Wakanda with the less utopian outside world is an easy way to go about it. And that doesn’t have to just be limited to outsiders like Klaw or the US government that want to steal Wakandan vibranium.
The X-books are kinda exploring this idea in Marauders, many people don’t trust Krakoa and you have forces out there trying to sabotage mutant medicine that they’re trading to the outside world to turn public opinion against the island. We’ve also seen it in the Black Panther books, Wakandagate being a prime example of Wakandan generosity being used to create conflict. Focusing on the geopolitical aspects of solarpunk is easier than creating internal conflict within Wakanda itself without becoming too derivative.
I don’t see how Lynne not being able to fight makes her a damsel. I wouldn’t describe Lois Lane or MJ as damsels nowadays because writers are smart enough to realize that constantly putting them in dangerous situations isn’t where they shine. All Monica needs is a few lessons with Shuri and Okoye to be able to hold herself in a fight IMO. Other than that I’d keep her in a civilian role and would like to see her use her wide ranging social and political connections to help Wakanda reach out to the outside world while making sure T’Challa doesn’t emotionally close himself off. Just don’t put her in situations where she becomes a damsel I guess lol.
But really a lot of the characters I named are interchangeable so if you prefer Nightshade or Zanda, I think they can fill the same spot as Monica, just with the added factor of being able to fight. Just like how either Kasper or Akili could be the primary HZ or how Zuri, Brother Voodoo, or Zawavari could be the primary magic user.
I think you could do stories showing contrasting nature of Wakanda's utopia and other nations not-so-utopias. Maybe the anti-Wakandan elements in rival nations use the recent upheavals in Wakanda to attempt to discredit T'Challa
As for Monica, I think it's not unreasonable for people to fear female love interests being turned into damsels. It's less common recently but still possible. Plus, the relationships never last in comics anyway.
The most famous love interests in the world at Lois Lane and MJ.
Completely powerless.
Not all supporting characters have to be able to fight. They are there to support the lead... not take up panel time punching people T'challa can just punch. Or shuri. or the HZ. or Okoye. or "insert everyone in the mythos"
T;challa has plenty of support characters that are useful in combat. Why does his LI need to as well? It doesn't add anything.
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That’s a good direction. Whether they be motivated by racism, hypocrisy, or threatened business interests there’s plenty of elements in non-utopian countries that would be against Wakanda trying to help the outside world. Which opens up many moral questions about T’Challa’s goals and how he wants to achieve them.
I think it’s pretty nonsensical to think that just because Monica isn’t an omega level mutant goddess or some kind of alien that she brings nothing to the mythos and automatically is a damsel. I get not wanting her to be a liability but the trope of the civilian lover has substantially evolved past the caricature Besouro is suggesting, all you need to do is read modern Spider-Man or Superman to see that. The Amazing Spider-Man had like 30 issues of MJ as a prominent character and she was never a quivering mess or reduced to being Peter’s “sperm recipient” lol.
And with T’Challa he already has multiple people that can fight in his supporting cast. Why does his love interest need to be some super badass warrior queen? Is he a lesser man for picking someone gentle and more interested in cerebral pursuits/humanitarian causes? I understand the desire for T’Challa to be in a “power couple” but I find the concept overrated.
Solarpunks conflicts come from outside influence who is jealous of their success and want to take it over. I always thought it was pretty dumb how many civil wars happened in Wakanda, you can have some small scale stuff like a rogue tribe or something, but most conflicts should be outside, not invasions, too often, like a civil conflict, or aim for the throne should only happened once every 5-10 years atleast. But other nations like what JA I'd doing in Avengers with the superhuman arms race. That's the stuff I want to see
I think T'Challa's goals are mostly noble, although he's had questionable moments
I agree love interests have evolved a lot. But women in comics still are objectified and stereotyped in many ways. Plus, IMO they can feed into the somewhat toxic idea of a "man needing a woman to be a man." And do these romances even matter if they never last?
I don't think he's lesser for picking an intelligent woman who's not a warrior though
I dunno, I would say some of y'all need to read Don Mcgregors Panthers rage when it came to how the relationship between T'Challa and Monica developed. She wasn't constantly a damsel in distress, she contributed alot to T'Challas development, not that he was less of a man, but more so you got to see the side of him that you normally don't, see him smiling and happy, able to let his guard down, and most importantly, showing Black love in a healthy manner.
He does t have to settle down immediately. Have Zanda fling, nightshade catwoman type, and then eventually meets back up with Monica and they develop and become a couple again
Because it really doesn't do any good unless both characters are D list. Otherwise, one fan base is always gonna be pissed about the other being a "sidekick" and they are always gonna clamor for more. Look at storm fans crying the books weren't called "BP and Storm." Which is wild, because they should be used to her thrown in the background... that's her whole career. Hell, being elevated to partner was a promotion from back up singer.
Sam and Misty can work because Misty has no fan base. Luke and JJ can work because JJ really has no fan base outside of one storyline and Luke ain't doing much better lol. Monica and Adam work because neither on them are in anything lol. Gambit and Rogue can work (is it still working? I have no idea) because they are background X men characters ala storm.
But stuff like Superman and Wonder Woman will never work long term.
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