T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Marvell2100]

Wakanda forever sounds like the kind of title you save for the third movie of a trilogy to cap things off. Unless Black Panther ends up being a duology (at least for now) like some people are speculating. Ugh, we were robbed man.

Sounds about right.

[Ezyo1000]

No matter how good the pitch was Marvel is probably never gonna let a white writer take on the BP solo. It’s a book reserved for black creators and as Vordan said it sets the character up to get a higher proportion of inexperienced scribes. Ridley doesn’t fit that mold exactly but the fact is there are no A-list/B-list black comic writers who are gonna immediately attract interest in a book if they were announced except maybe Priest. But because Marvel still wants a writer that is a known quality on the BP solo, they’ll pass over smaller, more experienced creators in favor of celebrity writers.

T’Challa should be one of those characters where a writer has to work themselves up before getting the opportunity to work with him. Look how long Coates had to write BP and coordinate several spin-offs before Marvel let him do Cap. And remember Coates didn’t even wanna write Steve, he wanted to do Spider-Man but Marvel was smart enough to see he wasn’t built to handle their most important solo book. Cap was a consolation prize because he’s a lower priority than Spider-Man.

T’Challa should at least be as high a priority as Cap and Tony. You should have at least some experience and some level of acclaim before you get the book, but if Marvel’s only standard is black and celebrity, you get stuff like Coates.

I think Redjack is on his way there too. He has proven himself time and time again. Ontop of the acclaim from BPQ and KiB.

I think that at this point T'Challa deserves to atleast be as protected ad tony and Cap at a minimum. Now way should Coates of been put on the book. I don't understand why marvel seems to want initial gains that then drop like a rock and lead to floundering sales. It's stupid. You got guys like Redjack or Walker who are competent. Coates era I feel was more detrimental to the character given that he was given free reign to do whatever he wanted and bringer whomever he wanted to trash the mythos and put it into such disarray. What JA is doing with T'Challa should of been complimented by a writer of skill to incorporate some of that stuff onto the solo. Rather than it feel completely secluded from the MU and not even knowing WHEN this solo even takes place. Its ridiculous

[MindofShadow]

That's more a problem at Marvel and DC and more importantly a lack of opportunities to write the big name heroes, Supes, Bats, Spidey.

The majority of poc writers get the obscure or C, D level characters. They get little fanfare, promotion or PR and they usually get the poc characters.

POC given F list character with meh artist

F list character predictably doesn't sell

POC not given any other projects because previous comic didn't sell

[Ezyo1000]

I've never bought into the "bigotry of low expectations" considering how much more effort PoC have to put in to get the same respect White people get for doing less.

Anyway, I see what you're saying. BP needs to be treated the same way as other major characters. Idk what it'll take for that to happen



I think people protest precisely because Black writers don't get as much respect, as you've pointed out. As for comics outside the big two, they're not as well known, so that doesn't really result in as large of a following to protest in the first place

The problem with the above is that these people "protesting" in most cases don't give a frak about the character. The fact that that Mark waid was turned down despite actually liking the character, yet Coates was given 5 years of utter shot on T'Challa proves the point that marvel needs to ask these people what the character means to them and what the plan is, and if they have no intention of elevating the character to the next level, or they try pulling Coates isht, they gets snuffed out immediately quickly followed by a palate cleanse

[Ezyo1000]

Yea. But again that was during the time when it was rumored Namor was going to be the villain (when they were going to make Atlantis = Aztec)

Still we at least got major castings like Christian Bale for Thor and Jonathan Majors as Kang for Antman. Everything seems to be quiet on the BP front.

It's quiet because Disney doesn't know WTF they are doing with the sequel despite their claims that this was all part of the plan and doesn't change much with Chads passing and Wakanda was always the focus... It's utter bullshit it's it's crystal clear

[CosmiComic]

That's more a problem at Marvel and DC and more importantly a lack of opportunities to write the big name heroes, Supes, Bats, Spidey.

The majority of poc writers get the obscure or C, D level characters. They get little fanfare, promotion or PR and they usually get the poc characters.

It would help if the big 2 did more to lift up those PoC and C/D level characters instead of relying on one or two

The problem with the above is that these people "protesting" in most cases don't give a frak about the character. The fact that that Mark waid was turned down despite actually liking the character, yet Coates was given 5 years of utter shot on T'Challa proves the point that marvel needs to ask these people what the character means to them and what the plan is, and if they have no intention of elevating the character to the next level, or they try pulling Coates isht, they gets snuffed out immediately quickly followed by a palate cleanse

Idk if none of these people don't care about the character.

[Marvell2100]

POC given F list character with meh artist

F list character predictably doesn't sell

POC not given any other projects because previous comic didn't sell

Yeah, I forgot about the subpar art.

David Walker did pretty good on Cyborg for DC and the art was good too. He made it so that Victor got over a lot of his issues and he could change his body to appear human which a lot of people liked.

What did DC do once the book ended? Undo everything that Walker had done.

Walker then does Nightwing at Marvel was some of the most...unlikeable art I've seen. Then they killed him.

[MindofShadow]

Yeah, I forgot about the subpar art.

David Walker did pretty good on Cyborg for DC and the art was good too. He made it so that Victor got over a lot of his issues and he could change his body to appear human which a lot of people liked.

What did DC do once the book ended? Undo everything that Walker had done.

Walker then does Nightwing at Marvel was some of the most...unlikeable art I've seen. Then they killed him.

lol how about Rejack inventing Mosaic... and then the X office uses him and never even asks him what his powers actually are lol

Walkers PM and IF was good enough to last 30+ issues from memory... but the art for that series was definitely... stylish and not to a lot of peoples taste

[skyvolt2000]

I think people protest precisely because Black writers don't get as much respect, as you've pointed out. As for comics outside the big two, they're not as well known, so that doesn't really result in as large of a following to protest in the first place

There have been black writers who have gotten death threats over books that were not Big Two. See Kwanza Osajyefo.

POC given F list character with meh artist
F list character predictably doesn't sell
POC not given any other projects because previous comic didn't sell

Funny thing is those same black writers go to OTHER places and LOL have success.

See Bitter Root with David Walker.
See Excellence at Image by Brandon Thomas & Khary Randolph.

Lets not forget when POC HAVE success-how fast is that UNDONE???? Or belittled?
Cassandra Cain anybody?
How fast did Prodigy get tossed out of X-Land to be a joke for Antman?
I got milk cartons with Jason Rsuch, Val Zod, Flint, Hotspot, Blurr and Tanya Spears faces on it.
Val Zod's fan got their feelings HURT recently. That is why you don't see them anymore.

Walkers PM and IF was good enough to last 30+ issues from memory... but the art for that series was definitely... stylish and not to a lot of peoples taste

Khary Randolph and Sanford Greene did the art for Mosaic and Powerman & IF. FUNNY folks have issues with their art on THOSE books to not want to support them.
Now put them on X-books or Batman-no one has an issue.
See Greg Land with Mighty Avengers. Same thing no issue with his 45 issues on X-Men but MA was a different story.

[Ekie]

That can be the title of BP3: All Quite on the Wakanda Front



What is even the point of putting out faulty rumors if they'll be so easily refuted?

To put out so many of them that there's an off chance that at least a couple will be right and people will believe you're an Insider

[Ekie]

It's quiet because Disney doesn't know WTF they are doing with the sequel despite their claims that this was all part of the plan and doesn't change much with Chads passing and Wakanda was always the focus... It's utter bullshit it's it's crystal clear

Yup.
Doesn't know and doesn't care so long as Coogler finds the way to bring in some general black revenue and casuals scream Wakanda Forever while only spending temporary cash on no-name or brand new characters they wont support down the line through merch, comics, ect.

Same hands off approach Marvel takes to maintaining a coherant storyline for Tchallas comic franchise.

[CosmiComic]

To put out so many of them that there's an off chance that at least a couple will be right and people will believe you're an Insider

Ok. Well, being wrong so often makes that seem unbelievable

[Ezyo1000]

It would help if the big 2 did more to lift up those PoC and C/D level characters instead of relying on one or two



Idk if none of these people don't care about the character.

Coates, Gay, Yona and Nnedi, and Vita all gave zero ishts about T'Challa and it showed on the pages. The amount of disdain for the character was glaring.

[Ezyo1000]

lol how about Rejack inventing Mosaic... and then the X office uses him and never even asks him what his powers actually are lol

Walkers PM and IF was good enough to last 30+ issues from memory... but the art for that series was definitely... stylish and not to a lot of peoples taste

Or there's a run that's utter dog isht that get lauded as some great thing that deserves to be adapted on the big screen (looking at Doomwar and Coates garbage)

[CosmiComic]

Coates, Gay, Yona and Nnedi, and Vita all gave zero ishts about T'Challa and it showed on the pages. The amount of disdain for the character was glaring.

I mean people criticizing Marvel for not having enough Black writers.