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Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
Eh, I dont entirely agree with the assessment. And that's fine. Thats ok. I have noted lacing issues in the parts I read. But I've also very much liked a lot of what was done here. It isnr perfect but there has been ambition there.
But I respect everyone's opinions on it. I haven't even read the entirety of the run yet, but what i have read ive largely enjoyed
Its not just tchalla though. We are seeing Dora all over the place. Shuri getting a solo mini. Okoye teaming up with freaking iron fist, completely on her own.
A lot of that is due to the expansion of the world of wakanda and the greater focus on it that was done in both the movies and the BP run. Especially the greater focus on the supporting characters.
Sure it was Hickman who gave him the big spotlight in secret wars but during this run we've seen multiple new villains and allies, multiple new landscapes and scales happen. Like I said just look at that cover art from Ross. All of that has played a major role and will continue too. Wakanda is now the most prominent fictional nation in the MU, aside from Krakoa that is but that was always going to be bigger. Wakanda branches out literslly all over the place now
You ain’t **** lol.
On that note though, Coates basically said what everyone here’s been saying since October of last year. Storm and T’Challa are friends with benefits and as of Marauders #13 they’re not friends anymore lol. He was fully aware of what the X-office was planning and I suspect that because his story chronologically takes place before theirs nobody’s direction was really harmed.
He even says they can date other people lol, the romance is dead as of last year and with Nakia in the Djalia it’s becoming increasingly likely that this romance Ridley’s been hinting at is a new character (unless it’s not a love interest for T’Challa of course). So yea Storm is probably not gonna be a big player moving forward.
The primary Dora of the Coates run was Ayo and Aneka, the movies pushed Okoye and that’s who was the lead of the Dora miniseries, leading the Agents of Wakanda, and appearing in Iron Fist. Not the Midnight Angels. Since you haven’t finished the books I’m just gonna say that Coates is not responsible for Okoye being as prominent as she is now based off her reintroduction in the solo. In fact you’ll notice that Okoye was appearing in other books before she got brought back into the solo.
Shuri’s book took the Coates status quo of T’Challa being missing but is notorious for essentially turning her into the MCU incarnation in its characterization and tone. And such a book only came after the movie elevated her to the most prominent mind in the MCU, they could’ve put anyone on the main BP solo and Shuri would’ve gotten a book. It’s customary for side characters and secondary IPs in the MCU to get comics in the lead up and aftermath of movie success. And the Shuri book had no wider relevance to the wider MU other than guest features that have not led to anything outside that book.
Cover art from Alex Ross means nothing lol. It’s a retrospective on the Coates era which we can both agree was a substantial break from prior eras. Hence all the new elements (Griot Shuri, MA armor, Storm). But think long and hard about the timeline of T’Challa and his world’s usage in the MCU and the actual story elements that Coates introduced which had relevance outside his book. If you think honestly you’ll recognize he had 0 influence on anything outside his world and that most of the elevation the character experienced is a result of the MCU both in terms of who got pushed and what the push consisted of.
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Dude I couldn't even get through the article. It's ridiculous. Like, Coates loves to talk but say nonsense. I had to lol multiple times throughout it. Like the line where he said he didn't want to invent Characters yet that pretty much all he did. Tetu, zenzi, Ayo, Hodari Aneka, Akili, Changaroo... 7 Characters not including the empire people. Like if you didn't read the comics and just went off the interview you would think alot different of him. Like MoS said, he can't interview well lol. Shame on Evan
You mean the character Coates gave such a high-profile to she didn't even EXIST in the book until a year after the movie?
And the Shuri series... written by one of his friends. Which was solicited as follows:
Oh yeah. That sounds like they LOVED Coates' take...The world fell in love with her in the movie. Now, the Black Panther’s techno-genius sister launches her own adventures — written by best-selling Afrofuturist author Nnedi Okorafor and drawn by Eisner-nominated artist Leonardo Romero! The Black Panther has disappeared, lost on a mission in space. And in his absence, everyone’s looking at the next in line for the throne. But Shuri is happiest in a lab, surrounded by gadgets of her own creation. She’d rather be testing gauntlets than throwing them. But a nation without a leader is a vulnerable one — and Shuri may have to choose between Wakanda’s welfare and her own.
Oh no no no. Coates does NOT get credit for those either. Okotabd Shuri Popping up and Shuri getting a spin of are both DIRECTLY tied to the MCU. Okoye showed up on coates book out of the blue, completely at random. That was due to the MCU. The Ayo and Aneka coming back to T'Challa and throwing the Wakanda forever sign was due to the MCU. Shuri getting a spin offer? Guess what? MCU, hence why the spin off had her in as a tech nerd and she was acting more like a teenager than Coates super serious super boring version.
Coates gets credit for creating new landscapes sure, and I'll credit him for his Tetu and Zenzi who had potential before he ruined that. But let's be real here and stop with the revisionist history
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Well I was happy to see TChalla use his shockwave move and throw Killmonger around a little. But overall I agree with most of what was said here. Put someone who cares about the character on the book.
The MCU doesn't guarantee character pushes lol. Scalret Witch just got an entire TV show and is nowhere to be seen in the comics. Falcon and Winter Soldier both are floating between other peoples books after getting their own show. Ant Man, has had what 5 film appearances? No consistent book.
I'm speaking strictly on the comics side here. Since this very run has started, or around the same time we've seen Captain America replaced by Sam Wilson, then steve was turned into a nazi. Iron man has been killed at least twice and gone through what 3 different writers? Thor got stripped of his powers and replaced by Jane foster for like 2 years. Captain Marvel has had a run that has affected very little if any of the larger MU, also tossed between a couple writers. Black Widow was killed off; brought back and has been under like 3 or 4 writers the whole time. Seems to have finally found decent footing under Thomspon Hawkeye has had multiple minis, nothing solid. Hulk up until Ewing got to him was all over the place, dead not dead sorta dead etc. Wanda is in limbo. Scott is in limbo. Hank is a villain, in limbo. Quicksilver... lol.
Compare those main avenger characters whove been rocking the films for a lot longer than BP was to what we got. Id say relatively TChalla got off pretty easy.
His supporting cast is all over the place. An X book falls out Wakanda specifically. Wakanda is getting solo tie in books for events. The whole nations arsthetic is much more solidly established now giving future writers things to built off of. Wakanda now has stories that can be told entirely in the far reaches of space. The lore of the nation has been given much more solid groundwork of the rather unchanging nature, with past Black Panthers and ancestors and stuff.
I think all that stuff matters. But time will tell if marvel agrees.
I wasn't even going to read the article until you said this, then I had to go see. Lol
Let me leave it here for everyone. Cause when that issue came out people just denied the truth. Lol.
Q:
Continuing on Storm, you inherited the T’Challa/Ororo relationship in a weird place. They were kind of divorced or estranged, or both, but you leave them in a place where they’re not formally together but still very much in love, it seems.
A:
I think marriage is overrated [as an end goal for fictional relationships]. T’Challa can have a girlfriend. Ororo can have a boyfriend. It’s fine. She has a whole other life. He has a whole other life. It just seemed like the arrangement that would work best, given who they were.