T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Maybe. Maybe not.

So far, she has kinda type casted herself.

She needs to call her agent and get casted in a Disney movie lol. stay in house Lupita style. Get casted as something other than a badass with a weapon.

Maybe but that might be her lane. (Not saying you're against it)

How many damn Milla Jovovich action movies are there, lol.

While I dont think she'd carry a more dramatic movie yet. I still think she could/should get casted more maybe in ensembles. Why not Danai in Knives Out 2.

Could be the agent thogh.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

If the Wakanda Disney+ series really is a not that long ago prequel that seems like a terrible decision the more I think about it.

How can you do such recent history with no T'Challa? Even if its focused on the Dora's how can he be totally absent for that?


The only reason I'd be a little interested is that it might mean Daniel Kaluuya will be back.

I'd rather watch a Killmonger origin, Wakanda series based in the 1800s, T'Chaka series. I liked the Yemandi episode on the cartoon series. That'd be a good show. I love Ryan Coogler, maybe these decisions were in place before Chad's death, but this is just not making any sense.

I understand (because of their friendship) removing him from the future. However, are you really going to erase him from the past as well?

[DigiCom]

Just so we're clear (so there's no revisionist history)

What is it that you want Ridley NOT to do with T'Challa.

As long as he doesnt do X there wont be as much outrage.

I want a story that showcases what's great about Wakanda in general (and T'Challa in specific).

I DON'T want a book that's simply a soapbox for sociopolitical commentary about the BIPOC experience. While that's a worthy topic of discussion, BP isn't the book for it.

Give me Afro-Futuristic Action & Adventure, not anti-colonialism and misandry.

Give me mad & beautiful ideas, that takes the franchise forward into the 2020's, not the same-old rebellions and resurrections.

Give me a Black Panther book, not a book that Black Panther just happens to be a part of.

[BlackClaw]

Just so we're clear (so there's no revisionist history)

What is it that you want Ridley NOT to do with T'Challa.

As long as he doesnt do X there wont be as much outrage.

Basically don’t have T’Challa be a mopey buffoon that constantly needs his hand held by the supporting cast. And don’t have characters from other franchises swoop in and take out the big bad and get the lions share of feats. Basically all I want is for T’Challa to be competent at the end of the day.

[MindofShadow]

Maybe but that might be her lane. (Not saying you're against it)

How many damn Milla Jovovich action movies are there, lol.

While I dont think she'd carry a more dramatic movie yet. I still think she could/should get casted more maybe in ensembles. Why not Danai in Knives Out 2.

Could be the agent thogh.

TBF... Milla only gets those roles because of her husband lol

If the Wakanda Disney+ series really is a not that long ago prequel that seems like a terrible decision the more I think about it.

How can you do such recent history with no T'Challa? Even if its focused on the Dora's how can he be totally absent for that?


The only reason I'd be a little interested is that it might mean Daniel Kaluuya will be back.

I'd rather watch a Killmonger origin, Wakanda series based in the 1800s, T'Chaka series. I liked the Yemandi episode on the cartoon series. That'd be a good show. I love Ryan Coogler, maybe these decisions were in place before Chad's death, but this is just not making any sense.

I understand (because of their friendship) removing him from the future. However, are you really going to erase him from the past as well?

I... agree with this lol

Just so we're clear (so there's no revisionist history)

What is it that you want Ridley NOT to do with T'Challa.

As long as he doesnt do X there wont be as much outrage.

I want a Black Panther book.

Not a "World of Wakanda" book.

[BlackClaw]

If the Wakanda Disney+ series really is a not that long ago prequel that seems like a terrible decision the more I think about it.

How can you do such recent history with no T'Challa? Even if its focused on the Dora's how can he be totally absent for that?


The only reason I'd be a little interested is that it might mean Daniel Kaluuya will be back.

I'd rather watch a Killmonger origin, Wakanda series based in the 1800s, T'Chaka series. I liked the Yemandi episode on the cartoon series. That'd be a good show. I love Ryan Coogler, maybe these decisions were in place before Chad's death, but this is just not making any sense.

I understand (because of their friendship) removing him from the future. However, are you really going to erase him from the past as well?

They just need to get it over with and tell us if T’Challa is getting killed off or not.

[Ezyo1000]

Just so we're clear (so there's no revisionist history)

What is it that you want Ridley NOT to do with T'Challa.

As long as he doesnt do X there wont be as much outrage.

Don't use T'Challa the Black Panther, hit nation, and his franchise as a stage for his own political bias mouthpiece. I don't care of Ridley is republican or democrat, or whatever, T'Challa and Wakanda are neither. And should not be acting as so.

No more of this shit of T'Challa being a side Character on his own book, having random OCs or out of franchise Characters solving the issues or being the ones to defeat the villains of the story.

No more reluctant ruler bullshit. That's not T'Challa, it never had been, it never will be, and Coates attempt's and "interpretations" that historically thats how T'Challa has always behaved is incredibly flawed.

Basically takes Coates post 25 interview and about 90% of the isht he thinks in there and says, don't do that lol

[4sake Baned]

I want a story that showcases what's great about Wakanda in general (and T'Challa in specific).

I DON'T want a book that's simply a soapbox for sociopolitical commentary about the BIPOC experience. While that's a worthy topic of discussion, BP isn't the book for it.

Give me Afro-Futuristic Action & Adventure, not anti-colonialism and misandry.

Give me mad & beautiful ideas, that takes the franchise forward into the 2020's, not the same-old rebellions and resurrections.

Give me a Black Panther book, not a book that Black Panther just happens to be a part of.

Don't use T'Challa the Black Panther, hit nation, and his franchise as a stage for his own political bias mouthpiece. I don't care of Ridley is republican or democrat, or whatever, T'Challa and Wakanda are neither. And should not be acting as so.

No more of this shit of T'Challa being a side Character on his own book, having random OCs or out of franchise Characters solving the issues or being the ones to defeat the villains of the story.

No more reluctant ruler bullshit. That's not T'Challa, it never had been, it never will be, and Coates attempt's and "interpretations" that historically thats how T'Challa has always behaved is incredibly flawed.

Basically takes Coates post 25 interview and about 90% of the isht he thinks in there and says, don't do that lol

This add a few things set up the support cast roles/leave them there they don’t need to shown in every issue or arc or etc..
BP - most time in trash bin solo BP was ethier drawn looking great or god awful. Give him facial hair, stop drawing him godawful.. The main character shouldn’t look like completely different looks wise just because the art team changed need to be some consistency.

I want back S’Yan, Zuri & W’baki there death were pointless/meaning less.
Shuri - Full-Panther Alchemist, no more of this back/front bs on what her role is/powers are copy Black Panther KIB & go form there, also no drawing her like 12-16 child.. Comic Shuri is adult smfh
QDJ & M’Baku - leading the WG. WG & Panther tribe are now cool with each other. Show how to most powerful tribes in Wakanda having partnership/alliance effect there others. 1 or 2 issue I love a flashback BP/M’Baku friendship as kids & them now watching there Sister ( Shuri) & Cousin/Niece (QDJ) showing behaving as close as sisters with makes think where did we go wrong we need to back atleast being Friendly again if not friends or brothers..
As a tribute to Chad I want a support cast member doesn’t matter if they are new or old drawn like him unless like some others he earn his place to be forever linked to this franchise. My preference would be Kwezi ( just make him a young Chad with locs)...
No O, no Trash Angels, No white saviors, No mutants,
Lastly a new un trash villains & new Super powered Black woman love interest created within the franchise..

[Klaue's Mixtape]

They just need to get it over with and tell us if T’Challa is getting killed off or not.

Thats the thing though. Killing T'Challa has no bearings on an Okoye prequel. He should be present for that. He had a friendship with her and W'Kabi for years.

Unless the prequel is set during the blip. Which then makes me wonder what the hell is happening in Wakanda Forever.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

TBF... Milla only gets those roles because of her husband lol



I... agree with this lol



I want a Black Panther book.

Not a "World of Wakanda" book.

Respectfully I think its just tempting to focus on Wakanda. Every black writer gets a chance to do their own Star Wars. Its just so tempting. However, if making the main thing the main thing brings peace to BP fandom then I'd be for it.

[Ekie]

I don’t know where people come up with this stuff man lol. In what world is MCU BP like Coates’ version? Hudlin is clearly the main influence with a healthy side of McGregor and based on how Coogler was talking he was gonna take T’Challa in that more Priest-like direction for the sequel with him being more experienced. We’re basically getting that T’Challa in the current Avengers book and in most of T’Challa’s other appearances like Conan and Agents of Wakanda. Coates is the only one not doing it right. Ridley writing T’Challa like his MCU counterpart would be an improvement over what we got now and it’s not even looking like he’s doing that.

In arc one his version of T’Challa is keeping secrets and making agendas with global implications, that’s pure Priest. Coates’ work is not so immutable that writers are gonna be forced to do cosmic nonsense every story, incorporate his side characters, or work with his lore if they don’t want. Nothing he did was at that level until we actually see it happen. You can’t talk about a writer’s legacy until there’s stuff after to compare it to and see where the influences are.

I agree with most of what you said but I don't want Ridley writing Tchalla closer to the MCU version. Ignoring Chadwick Boseman performance which was excellent that character let Zemo live and gave him to America. Zemo that killed Tchaka and is now a famous dancer.

It fell victim to the noble negro trope in the end and was way to reactive. I need a Tchalla that lost his father as a child and spent his life being a paranoid planner/thinker due to it.

Also need a Tchalla that rips out throats when he says he is going to do so

[Ekie]

He did an interview with Coates and it was very... complimentary (to put it nicely).

So some people are glad he never go the ongoing because they fear he would just continue T'chumpa.

I'm not sure he was even in the running.

Rise of BP had a Priest like Panther, not T'chumpa so I'm not gonna hate on the guy. I wouldn't wnat him on an ongoing because he needs more experience if that is something he is interested in.



I mean, it is possible.

So far, no red flags though lol. With Coates, the flags were flying by now. So, I am already on a positive trend.

And I have very low expectations and just expect T'challa written as he has been by Priest, Johns, Hudlin, McDuffie, Liss, Aaron, Ewing, Hickman, Gillis, Zub, whoever wrote BP vs DP, and Narcisse. So really, percentage wise... history is on my side that it'll be closer to the normal T'challa than some crap Coates, Gay, Nnedi, Bendis, Roy type version. (McGregor and Kirby get a pass lol).

Most of the writers that have touched T'challa don't have THAT much of an issue getting his "baseline" characteristics right.

I am not expecting something ground breaking. I just want something I don't hate. I'd settle for mediocre lol.

Yup cosigned

[Ekie]

Yeah I gotta agree with this sentiment. Honestly after 5 years of Coates, the shitty writing, the over generous ass patting and gushing over the shit run, the desperate attempts to act like this was the second coming of Priest/Hudlin.

Knowing that Redjack, in 1 issue, a tie in to an event, produced a more interesting and Stellar final fight for Wakanda battle against symbiotes, with Wakanda completely unleashed, no outside help, no call of all the black heroes to randomly show up without warning, just the Black Panther (who IS Wakanda) showing is again a snippet of SWaD? Nah Ridley better bring his A game. We got a dude who wants to elevate T'Challa and who has done some multiple times being told no we are going with another dude... This dude better be bringing the heat just as much of not more than RJ. I don't want mediocre. I want what JA has been showing us with T'Challa. And I want the stories to match that same badassery

Thats definitely what we deserve after the last 6 years plus this new MCU debacle. I was just praying for average at best but Im now in agreement.
Marvel passed on something great so I should def except something great or greater in return. Hopefully Ridley can deliver

[Ekie]

If the Wakanda Disney+ series really is a not that long ago prequel that seems like a terrible decision the more I think about it.

How can you do such recent history with no T'Challa? Even if its focused on the Dora's how can he be totally absent for that?


The only reason I'd be a little interested is that it might mean Daniel Kaluuya will be back.

I'd rather watch a Killmonger origin, Wakanda series based in the 1800s, T'Chaka series. I liked the Yemandi episode on the cartoon series. That'd be a good show. I love Ryan Coogler, maybe these decisions were in place before Chad's death, but this is just not making any sense.

I understand (because of their friendship) removing him from the future. However, are you really going to erase him from the past as well?

None of this ish works without Tchalla. If Bruce Wayne is removed from gotham then all the gotham characters are lesser for it. No what what side character or origional creation is calling themselves Batman.

Except in this scenario what they're going to do is erase him completely because people (movie casuals) seem just as gleeful to watch made up stories about any random black face we can get from the franchise. That's what they recasting movement is about. Do you think they're still going to be mentioning t'challa or Chadwick Boseman come Black Panther four or five titled "WAKANDA FOREVER AND EVER"!

No, they wont. Disney's going to keep making that money Tyler Perry Style while Spider-Man fans are working on their 5th white actor to player Peter Parker and continue the icinic stories and legacy of he and his actors despite Miles and Gwen

[Ezyo1000]

Respectfully I think its just tempting to focus on Wakanda. Every black writer gets a chance to do their own Star Wars. Its just so tempting. However, if making the main thing the main thing brings peace to BP fandom then I'd be for it.

Really? Always been tempting? Because if we are looking at history, in the 55 years of T'Challas existence and publication, Wakanda has only been the focus for the last 5 years, under Coates and friends...he rest? T'Challa has been the focus, Wakanda hasn't been the draw... Ever. This revisionist history people have been championing and even Feigi has been saying about the sequel needs to stop. It's not true, it's never been true, and to act like Wakanda is the main character is dumb.

Everything we have seen or experienced about WK has been with T'Challa as our guide. It's not that tempting, it's just what happens when you get folks like Coates and pals, who don't give a Frak about T'Challa, and turn them loose without oversight to write whatever bias agenda they fancy and force it into the mythos.

Let's be real, Wakanda isn't that interesting enough to be treated like a main character it's a backdrop, a tool, a resource for T'Challa to utilize to help the world and spank armies trying to come in. It's not the franchise, and it's nothing without T'Challa the black panther. There's a reason spin off book's that don't focus on T'Challa or shit talk him fail and it's not because Wakanda isn't featured...