T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Marvell2100]

I'm pretty sure you just described Victor Von Doom...

I say an evil T'Challa is far worse than Doom. Much better resources.

[DigiCom]

I say an evil T'Challa is far worse than Doom. Much better resources.

Well, Vic may not have vibranium, but his tech base is pretty damn high. He just doesn't waste it on his subjects...

But if you prefer someone closer to home, Moses Magnum, maybe?

[Ekie]

Well, Vic may not have vibranium, but his tech base is pretty damn high. He just doesn't waste it on his subjects...

But if you prefer someone closer to home, Moses Magnum, maybe?

What he is describing would have to be an all new character if its not Doom or Killmonger

[Ezyo1000]

pairing him with storm was an editorial error.

pairing him with anyone not either created in or now limited to his solo book is always going to be a mistake. there are too many competing influences when the love interest isn't built into the MAIN HERO's story.

this is not limited to BP. it's just a poorly thought out pairing.

I agree ultimately it's a mistake to have out of franchise characters get into relationships because it's likely no going to last, burning the case of Monica she was obscure enough that it likely could of. At this point though, yeah I am over it. It was tried, it failed, it's been a dark cloud over his head ever since that he can't seem to shake until a writer comes in and essentially establishes a new partner for him and he tells Storm that they are done. No your my one true Love and I'll always love you BS. Just we are done, if you need help know you have an ally in me, and call and I'll help but don't come to Wakanda otherwise.

[Ezyo1000]

Supreme Squadron? Squadron Superior? The Imperialists?

The imperialist works supreme names makes it sound like squadron supreme. Imperialist sounds a bit more unique while directly clashing with what T'Challa and Wakanda stand for.

As for your other points I agree 6 million year man needs to come back. As for T'Challas maker, I would actually say I would like to see his father brought back to life in his prime with unholy upgrades afro samurai resurrection style. I think that would be more badass and personal than evil T'Challa (which I agree would also be cool too, I just like what ASR did) while also giving a new match for T'Challa to go against. Hell he could be brought back under the moniker of death tiger before T'Challa figures out who he is.

[Ezyo1000]

Well, Vic may not have vibranium, but his tech base is pretty damn high. He just doesn't waste it on his subjects...

But if you prefer someone closer to home, Moses Magnum, maybe?

I would say evil T'Challa would be worse due to how casual he would be about manipulating every one around him without a care. He wouldn't have some inferiority complex like Doom has about Reed. He would simply manipulate and plot and plan all the time and even if he "lost" a fight, like Doom he didn't actually lose because they did exactly what he wanted them to do regardless of if he lost the fight or not. Plus if we had evil T'Challa, he may be backed by a imperialist Wakanda Which means that crazy tech is now being used against the world.

I think there would be noticable differences between evil T'Challa and doom more than just tech and fighting style/ capabilities

[Agent Z]

I invented the Kung Fu Grip...


Oh wait that's not what you are talking about my bad!


Wakanda.

The throne room.

The elders gathered for what would be the most important meeting of their lives.

T'challa: "You all wanted to see me."

Shuri: "Actually I called for this meeting because the elders had brought something to my attention concerning you."

Shuri pauses, takes a deep breathe and...

Shuri: "Well you know how vibranium works by absorbing energy... And it does this in many forms. With that said due to security concerns every incoming transmission is automatically intercepted by our security net down to its' most minute details. Whether it be in the form of sound waves, sonar radar or internet bandwidth we capture it. Also, for security reasons various members of the tribal elders have access to this in case of extreme emergencies and protocols. You see..."

T'challa: "Where are you headed with this Shuri?"

Shuri: "It's better if I show you."

Shuri ignites a Kimoyo bead that begins to access T'challa's secret account.

A very well endowed BBW with a hair weave down to her calves comes to life...

BBW: "Hello your highness welcome back to 1-800-PANTHER-PORNHUB... Have you been a naughty king. OOOOh let's take it to the waterfall... Is this your king... Is this your king..."

T'challa: "Okay okay that's enough!"

The elders look around at each other and nod in agreement.

Shuri: "Uhm... The elders and I agree that it's time for you to get some."

T'challa: "I just did get some... Didn't you See Wakanda and Die I was kicking @$$ and taking names out there!"

Shuri: "Not that we mean like... Get a mate or a queen."

T'challa: "Oh!"

Shuri: "I mean... If you want to continue this lewd behavior I could set up a seperate account not available to the elders discretions but seriously though."

T'challa: "I get it... Sometimes I'm stressed out about all this being two steps three steps ahead of everybody that I want someone else to be in charge for a change."

Shuri: "In charge of... Oh never mind I don't need any more visuals."

T'challa: "I hear you and I'll get on one of those dating sites and choose carefully."

Shuri: "I took the liberty of scanning your profile, tastes and dislikes and narrowed down your options to a couple prospects from Detroit and Atlanta."

T'challa: "Do they have Tig ole Bitties!"

Shuri: "EW, you can do that your self... BYE!"

Is porn even legal in Wakanda?

[Agent Z]

It's because some people are only comfortable if black men are portrayed as one Asexual, gay, or if they are in a relationship then it is more likely an interracial relationship. Nothing is wrong with the later two, however, people always seem to scoff at the idea of a black man being in a healthy relationship with a black woman and feel the need to insert dysfunction into it.

A LI wouldn't define T'Challa, that's a weak and lame excuse not to have one for him. No comic book hero is ever defined by a LI. How many heroes do we see how have relationships, or hook ups without issue, but for T'Challa all of a sudden they will define him so he needs to ride solo like he has been doing since AvX, and is only ever allowed to have something when Storm happens to drop by (and even then more often than not she is shade throwing and he just takes it) before he is back to going solo player.

I don't care what anyone says, the 3 most important characters in the book should be T'Challa, the Villain, and the LI. With T'Challa standing clearly above those two

There isn't anything wrong with asexual black men either provided they aren't the only type of black men seen.

[Marvell2100]

What he is describing would have to be an all new character if its not Doom or Killmonger

Pretty much. An evil T'Challa wouldn't be a Doom clone because an evil T'Challa wouldn't be an egotistical megalomaniac. Doom isn't the chess player T'Challa is and wouldn't take the same risks T'Challa would.

Like EZ said, T'Challa would take a loss if it furthered his bigger agenda while Doom would never admit it. I also think T'Challa is the better multi-tasker and plays the long game much better.

The problem is that we haven't seen a T'Challa like this since Priest. Not the evil one, the brilliant chessmaster.

[DigiCom]

Pretty much. An evil T'Challa wouldn't be a Doom clone because an evil T'Challa wouldn't be an egotistical megalomaniac. Doom isn't the chess player T'Challa is and wouldn't take the same risks T'Challa would.

Like EZ said, T'Challa would take a loss if it furthered his bigger agenda while Doom would never admit it. I also think T'Challa is the better multi-tasker and plays the long game much better.

The problem is that we haven't seen a T'Challa like this since Priest. Not the evil one, the brilliant chessmaster.

The problem with evil chessmasters is they have to be written with serious flaws... otherwise they win. Ego is an easy one to add, because it appeals to readers when the hero is underestimated and wins anyway.

Hence Doom, and Kang the Conqueror, and the Master of the World (Alpha Flight villain) or the various Fu Manchu-style villains (including the actual Fu. ).

If you want to have a successful evil T'Challa, you pretty much have to create a new one... and use him only rarely, so that villain decay doesn't set in. Because if he (or, indeed she) gets used too often, sooner or later, Power Pack will defeat them.

[chief12d]

I always thought that Killmonger had all the makings of an evil T'Challa, like many villains he's a dark mirror of the protagonist with similar skills and personality traits. Killmonger wants the throne that T'Challa wants to keep and while he's not nearly as intelligent he's still pretty smart and makes up for it with a raw tenacity and political acumen rivalled by few in his rogues gallery.

If we're thinking about an evil T'Challa for BP to go up against, I think all the elements are there for KM to play that role, something the MCU hinted at when they had him literally become an evil version of BP. What he needs more than anything are resources. Competent super-powered underlings (revamped Death Regiments), exotic materials, money, etc. just like the actual T'Challa or characters like Doctor Doom.

KM needs to evolve past being a stateless warlord and be allowed to become a Silver Sable-type figure for the people of Niganda. Have him liberate that nation through revolution and set up a new high-tech military industrial complex that supports his mercenary work abroad. Meanwhile he uses his other resources to expand his black market operations, build alliances with other African nations, and turn his country into a regional power, all in pursuit of world domination.

[Marvell2100]

The problem with evil chessmasters is they have to be written with serious flaws... otherwise they win. Ego is an easy one to add, because it appeals to readers when the hero is underestimated and wins anyway.

Hence Doom, and Kang the Conqueror, and the Master of the World (Alpha Flight villain) or the various Fu Manchu-style villains (including the actual Fu. ).

If you want to have a successful evil T'Challa, you pretty much have to create a new one... and use him only rarely, so that villain decay doesn't set in. Because if he (or, indeed she) gets used too often, sooner or later, Power Pack will defeat them.

That's the thing, villains should have the occasional win. Having victories here and there in an overarching war(for lack of a better term) makes the villain a compelling threat. And that's what I was saying, a Mirror Universe T'Challa someone who is created specifically for BP. And ego doesn't have to be the overwhelming trait either. Sometimes in some battles, the hero is just better.

[Will Evans]

I’m glad we’re talking about T’Challa’s love interests and rogues gallery.

I know Monica Lynne is dead. Nikki Adams is dead.

It would be interesting to see what Malaika’s been up to.

Is Malice Nakia dead? I guess she’s killed too many people like Nikki Adams to reform. But age-wise, she’d 19 at least by now.

Jakarra’s often over looked as a villain. 600 million year man, sure. Any villain from Killmonger’s resurrection altar.


As new rogues, Tetu and Zenzi can stay. Vlad the Impaler. Is a good rogue. Like T’Challa, he’s confident but has no ego.

Achebe and a resurrected Solomon Prey would make deadly big bads.

[BlackClaw]

I’m glad we’re talking about T’Challa’s love interests and rogues gallery.

I know Monica Lynne is dead. Nikki Adams is dead.

It would be interesting to see what Malaika’s been up to.

Is Malice Nakia dead? I guess she’s killed too many people like Nikki Adams to reform. But age-wise, she’d 19 at least by now.

Jakarra’s often over looked as a villain. 600 million year man, sure. Any villain from Killmonger’s resurrection altar.


As new rogues, Tetu and Zenzi can stay. Vlad the Impaler. Is a good rogue. Like T’Challa, he’s confident but has no ego.

Achebe and a resurrected Solomon Prey would make deadly big bads.

Malice died in the Wakanda Forever mini series.

[Ezyo1000]

The problem with evil chessmasters is they have to be written with serious flaws... otherwise they win. Ego is an easy one to add, because it appeals to readers when the hero is underestimated and wins anyway.

Hence Doom, and Kang the Conqueror, and the Master of the World (Alpha Flight villain) or the various Fu Manchu-style villains (including the actual Fu. ).

If you want to have a successful evil T'Challa, you pretty much have to create a new one... and use him only rarely, so that villain decay doesn't set in. Because if he (or, indeed she) gets used too often, sooner or later, Power Pack will defeat them.

Hell I would even go as far to say that 10 years future T'Challa would of made the perfect Villain. And you wouldn't expect it because of how he acts, and his flaws are essentially his health