T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[MindofShadow]

I'd rather not have T'challa than become as toxic as Sonic/Snyder/TLJ 4chan type "fans."

Ain't worth that much to me at all.

Meh, MCU Shuri is a whole new female character from scratch.

This is actually a really good point lol.

Maybe BP2 ends up being a situation where Disney misread the room and a large part of the audience gets turned off. Maybe that’s when they finally get vocal lol. Alternatively, the standards could so low that as long as the film incorporates meta commentary about how sad we are about Boseman/T’Challa dying people will rate it the best MCU movie lol.

black twitter is gonna eat this movie up 100% without hesitation. They are too starved for movies to turn their back on theonly franchise they have. Youare going to see variations of, "omg this movie honored Chadwick the best way possible, he paved the way for these QUEENS" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

It is going to be 100% fine in the box office. The only way disney execs go, "nope, this didn't work, put T'challa back in" is if "fine" isn't good enough for a franchise that made 700 millino domestic to start. And if merch sales plummet because they can't market the merch to boys because they is no dude to put int he merch lol. You gonna have a lego set of T'challa's Casket?

[BlackClaw]

Who knows. I mean we talk about how black folks weren’t loud enough about a recast but if you look outside Twitter and Reddit most black online spaces I’ve come across seem to be in favor of one. Twitter promotes a particular type of black person as the norm (iykyk lol) and they’re the loudest in the room but they rarely represent the majority opinion of our community.

Maybe BP2 ends up being a situation where Disney misread the room and a large part of the audience gets turned off. Maybe that’s when they finally get vocal lol. Alternatively, the standards could so low that as long as the film incorporates meta commentary about how sad we are about Boseman/T’Challa dying people will rate it the best MCU movie lol.

You make a good point about Twitter not being the majority opinion. A real good example would be the lady Ghostbusters. The discourse for that movie was so bad that it made National headlines and the Twitter crowd turned the film into a big political symbol. And when the movie came out, it bombed. Lol.

[Gessela]

There's an odd backlash in the literary world over the term, where some writers (including "Pal Of Coates" Nnedi Okorafor) reject the term Afrofuturism in favor of Africanfuturism.

I can only assume it's a slipstream/magical realism situation, where writers reject a popular label in order to sound more "literary". Honestly, I don't understand it.

To be fair to Nnedi Okorafor, she’s stated that she preferred her work to not be labeled Afro-Futurism, but as African-Futurism and/or Africanjujuist instead. She posits that for her Afrofuturism is centered in the West, while Africanfuturism (which she takes credit for coining) is more directly centered in Africa. While I don’t personally agree, I respect her decision and reasoning.

For me Afro-Futurism has already been established in the Sci-Fiction field, and I’m not going to throw it away for the other term, when they know damn well when I say Afro, I’m saying African.
Also for me the mistake is the attempt to make the terms (Afro-Futurism & African-Futurism) mean two separate things when they’re interchangeable.

Whichever one people use is cool with me, as long as one or the other is not being claimed to be invalid.

[Ezyo1000]

Feige’s options are to either fire the guy that wrote and directed the most successful MCU solo film or do his best to accommodate a story direction he most likely disagrees with. Naturally that includes making sure it’s known Coogler and the cast were the main ones pushing for no recast, so in the event (however unlikely) the film fails to deliver, his personal brand is protected.

I don’t think he deserves any blame since it’s readily apparent from the statements of some cast members like Kaluuya and Basset that the cast and Coogler were the ones against a recast. Feige at the end of the day neither wrote the script or is directly responsible for the massive story changes that will happen in WF. That falls squarely at the feet of Coogler and his helpers.

So then who is to blame for even pushing to move the schedule back only 2 months? Like, who TF decided that was a smart business plan? With all the stuff going on in the world PLUS Chad's passing. This was a very clear sign to hold off on the plan and let the cast grieve, come to terms that he is gone, and then be able to heal and see that he wouldn't want T'Challa to die with him. Like, how morbid is that? No actor thinks that no one else can play a character abd they have some claim, especially comic characters who existed long before they were born. Plus why would actor's want to act out a scene reacting to a character dying in honor of their friend dying? That's f'ed up

[Ezyo1000]

Who knows. I mean we talk about how black folks weren’t loud enough about a recast but if you look outside Twitter and Reddit most black online spaces I’ve come across seem to be in favor of one. Twitter promotes a particular type of black person as the norm (iykyk lol) and they’re the loudest in the room but they rarely represent the majority opinion of our community.

Maybe BP2 ends up being a situation where Disney misread the room and a large part of the audience gets turned off. Maybe that’s when they finally get vocal lol. Alternatively, the standards could so low that as long as the film incorporates meta commentary about how sad we are about Boseman/T’Challa dying people will rate it the best MCU movie lol.

Oh god I can already see reviewers talking about how beautiful it was to see T'Challa laid to rest and how it was such an honorable tribute to Chad... Just like they said Finn was soooo good in TFA lol.

[Ezyo1000]

I'd rather not have T'challa than become as toxic as Sonic/Snyder/TLJ 4chan type "fans."

Ain't worth that much to me at all.



This is actually a really good point lol.



black twitter is gonna eat this movie up 100% without hesitation. They are too starved for movies to turn their back on theonly franchise they have. Youare going to see variations of, "omg this movie honored Chadwick the best way possible, he paved the way for these QUEENS" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

It is going to be 100% fine in the box office. The only way disney execs go, "nope, this didn't work, put T'challa back in" is if "fine" isn't good enough for a franchise that made 700 millino domestic to start. And if merch sales plummet because they can't market the merch to boys because they is no dude to put int he merch lol. You gonna have a lego set of T'challa's Casket?

Cotdammit you got me at the end there with the Lego casket...

Here's the deal. There's o hype for this movie at all. Back around the first every announcement had hype levels climbing, from kids dancing on tables, the surfacing of coming to America memes, Black folk's dressing up in dashikis and camping out like people did for star wars. Black Panther became a cultural zeitgeist because people were excited to see T'CHALLAS WORLD, they wanted to see an African King and first Black super hero explore concept's we are usually excluded from.

Now? They are turning this into basically a funeral. There's no hype because all they are telling us is how hard it is and how depressed they are but hopeful that this will be a great tribute to Chad. That doesn't Make people wante to see the movie over and over again. It's more depressing **** we get from other Black movies. Death Black male death. They should of waited. Recast and came in and said "Look no one can replace Chad. He was the OG GOAT, but he started a story, a journey T'Challa just started, we want to make him proud and see this heroes journey to completion" there's so many ways to Honor Chadwick. Like how Coogler had the habit in the lab say I love you mom, you can do stuff like that for Chad and other stuff.

Otherwise your right, what they going to do for little boy's for Halloween? Black Panther casket complete with a tearful movie quote from Shuri?

[BlackClaw]

Cotdammit you got me at the end there with the Lego casket...

Here's the deal. There's o hype for this movie at all. Back around the first every announcement had hype levels climbing, from kids dancing on tables, the surfacing of coming to America memes, Black folk's dressing up in dashikis and camping out like people did for star wars. Black Panther became a cultural zeitgeist because people were excited to see T'CHALLAS WORLD, they wanted to see an African King and first Black super hero explore concept's we are usually excluded from.

Now? They are turning this into basically a funeral. There's no hype because all they are telling us is how hard it is and how depressed they are but hopeful that this will be a great tribute to Chad. That doesn't Make people wante to see the movie over and over again. It's more depressing **** we get from other Black movies. Death Black male death. They should of waited. Recast and came in and said "Look no one can replace Chad. He was the OG GOAT, but he started a story, a journey T'Challa just started, we want to make him proud and see this heroes journey to completion" there's so many ways to Honor Chadwick. Like how Coogler had the habit in the lab say I love you mom, you can do stuff like that for Chad and other stuff.

Otherwise your right, what they going to do for little boy's for Halloween? Black Panther casket complete with a tearful movie quote from Shuri?

You know things are bad if freaking Ant-Man 3 is generating more hype than Black Panther 2. Then again, that movie is gonna have Jonathan Majors, who is excellent in the role of Kang so far.

[DigiCom]

Or is Afrofuturism only about African characters in some kind of futuristic African (or African-inspired) setting? So therefore a story about an future where black Americans carve out their own kingdom in the South is not Afrofuturist. Where does that even leave the African diaspora in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Europe? Maybe more terms would be useful, but they can just as easily be divisive and exclusionary.

At one point she literally says the following:

An example:


Afrofuturism: Wakanda builds its first outpost in Oakland, CA, USA.
Africanfuturism: Wakanda builds its first outpost in a neighboring African country.

…

I got nothing.

[skyvolt2000]

I don’t think he deserves any blame since it’s readily apparent from the statements of some cast members like Kaluuya and Basset that the cast and Coogler were the ones against a recast. Feige at the end of the day neither wrote the script or is directly responsible for the massive story changes that will happen in WF. That falls squarely at the feet of Coogler and his helpers.

At the end of the day-it is STILL in Feige's hands. Because he is the man in charge.

You come at me with not wanting a recast-I will give you 3 choices-

1) Resign

2) Movie is delayed until you feel like doing it (better be by 2023 or we will see Wakanda fund a spaceship with Reed Richards in it)

3) We take BP 2's slot and YOU direct something in it's place. Blue Marvel or Night Thrasher or Luke Cage or Moon Girl.

And if merch sales plummet because they can't market the merch to boys because they is no dude to put int he merch lol. You gonna have a lego set of T'challa's Casket?

Well at least the girls have something to ignore with Shuri toys-since they act like they don't care for every attempt for black girls dolls not by Barbie.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

You know things are bad if freaking Ant-Man 3 is generating more hype than Black Panther 2. Then again, that movie is gonna have Jonathan Majors, who is excellent in the role of Kang so far.

Kang or no Kang that should never happen. However, here we are. I'm really curious how they are going to handle trailers for this. If he dies just please tease the funeral early. Let me get that pain out of the way. Waiting a whole year to say "he dead" is torture.

I know people say lol why care. I'm sorry, but a BLACK PANTHER film made 700 mill domestically. A film starring T'Challa reached heights critically/box office that has never been seen before for a solo movie. This is historic stuff and they fumbling the ball without a defender in sight. It hurts.

Again to E-Mans point there are still things Feige told Coogler he MUST DO. Feige told Coogler to make T'Challa do something more exciting when leaving out of the casino (Originally Coogler wanted T'Challa to smoothly walk out and his suit suddenly changes). Like the flip onto the car. Feige needed Bucky to have a scene.

If Feige wants to he can tell them something about teasing a reappearance from TChalla at the end.

[MindofShadow]

If Feige wants to he can tell them something about teasing a reappearance from TChalla at the end.

James Gunn bitched more than once that Thanos was forced into GotG and he had no choice on the matter. It is Gunn's least favorite scene because it made Ronan look like a bitch.

Like I said, the best T'challa fans can hope for is lost in space, lost in a portal/worm hole, lost in the ocean, or lost in Antatica or whatever... aka an assumed death.

IF we get that, then there is a chance they will reverse course in BP3. If we actually have a body... nope.

[BlackClaw]

Kang or no Kang that should never happen. However, here we are. I'm really curious how they are going to handle trailers for this. If dies just please tease the funeral early. Let me get that pain out of the way. Waiting a whole year to say "he dead" is torture.

I know people say lol why care. I'm sorry, but a BLACK PANTHER film made 700 mill domestically. A film starring T'Challa reached heights critially/box office that has never been seen before for a solo movie. This is historic stuff and they fumbling the ball without a defender in sight. It hurts.

Again to E-Mans point there are still things Feige told Coogler he MUST DO. Feige told Coogler to make T'Challa do something more exciting when leaving out of the casino (Originally Coogler wanted T'Challa to smoothly walk out and his suit suddenly changes). Like the flip onto the car. Feige needed Bucky to have a scene.

If Feige wants to he can tell them something about teasing a reappearance from TChalla at the end.

That’s being rather optimistic. I just want them to just tell us if they’re killing him or not already (and given the reports of the United Nations scene being sad, it’s looking like the former). Oh well, variant or bust.

[Dboi654]

You know things are bad if freaking Ant-Man 3 is generating more hype than Black Panther 2. Then again, that movie is gonna have Jonathan Majors, who is excellent in the role of Kang so far.

If Marvel made an announcement today that Yahya Abdul-Mateen will be the new T'Challa, I can guarantee you that 90-90% of these people wouldn't have a problem with it and would probably generate more hype as people will be eager to see Yahya's portrayal of T'Challa.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

James Gunn bitched more than once that Thanos was forced into GotG and he had no choice on the matter. It is Gunn's least favorite scene because it made Ronan look like a bitch.

Like I said, the best T'challa fans can hope for is lost in space, lost in a portal/worm hole, lost in the ocean, or lost in Antatica or whatever... aka an assumed death.

IF we get that, then there is a chance they will reverse course in BP3. If we actually have a body... nope.

That’s being rather optimistic. I just want them to just tell us if they’re killing him or not already (and given the reports of the United Nations scene being sad, it’s looking like the former). Oh well, variant or bust.

Well the good thing is Marvel always plans for reshoots and can course correct. I read that Jonathan Majors wasnt originally intended to be in the Loki finale. However, they shifted things in order to fit him.

They've technically had time to go through the proper process of replacing T'Challa if you think about it. Its just a question if they can hear us or not. Cause when reshoots hit next Feb....they can fit a scene in there.

However, yea a body not only corners themselves for this movie, but it basically makes it difficult to ever do it. Who is to say even the multiverse is a thing by BP3? I kno people dont want that but its possible that wont be an option.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

If Marvel made an announcement today that Yahya Abdul-Mateen will be the new T'Challa, I can guarantee you that 90-90% of these people wouldn't have a problem with it and would probably generate more hype as people will be eager to see Yahya's portrayal of T'Challa.

Yep.

In a weird way the fact that BP2 (and I hate its come to this) is the least hyped MCU movie of 2022 helps. Yes, even the The Marvels is a tad more interesting cause it features Monica Rambeau.

An actor of that caliber would actually GENERATE hype (obviously not him tho since he's currently filming Aquaman 2). The conversation is so off BP2 that it would catch less negativity than it would have 10 months ago.