T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Yaw]

I love the movie. Think its one of the GOAT comic book movies ever.

However, in hindsight it was almost too good. Wakanda was revealed too early. Supporting characters were made too strong.

Can you imagine them talking that explore the world stuff with a character like Deadpool? Even with a character like Hellboy? With a character like Blade in his films?

You just cant. Their films didnt really make room for it. And the one that did for Blade 3 was terrible.

Honestly the current situation is reinforcing how weak the first movie was. T'Challa left little impact and is seen as a completely inconsequential and replaceable character. In no world would they consider not recasting other major characters after one solo movie.

[Frontier]

Honestly the current situation is reinforcing how weak the first movie was. T'Challa left little impact and is seen as a completely inconsequential and replaceable character. In no world would they consider not recasting other major characters after one solo movie.

I think that's more just on the execs than T'Challa in the actual movies in my opinion.

[Ekie]

Honestly the current situation is reinforcing how weak the first movie was. T'Challa left little impact and is seen as a completely inconsequential and replaceable character. In no world would they consider not recasting other major characters after one solo movie.

Yup that is exactly right. The wonder and beauty of Wakanda as a concept is easy to understand and profit off of. Anyone who got to make the first big budget movie was gonna have that to profit off of along with Marvel cinematography. Ryan failed miserably with the main character and establishing what makes him important and irreplaceable. Simply because he didnt understand the character and had a killminger story with Michael B Jordan about African Diaspora he wanted to tell instead. Would have made for much better sequel than introduction. Can't have an "is this your king" moment in a debut and play hot potato with the mantle after.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Yup that is exactly right. The wonder and beauty of Wakanda as a concept is easy to understand and profit off of. Anyone who got to make the first big budget movie was gonna have that to profit off of along with Marvel cinematography. Ryan failed miserably with the main character and establishing what makes him important and irreplaceable. Simply because he didnt understand the character and had a killminger story with Michael B Jordan about African Diaspora he wanted to tell instead. Would have made for much better sequel than introduction. Can't have an "is this your king" moment in a debut and play hot potato with the mantle after.

blah blah blah trash post movie still won oscars and was a cultural moment.

I can disagree with with what they are doing now. However, in one movie with T'Challa as lead they made magic happen.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

They went the Star Wars/Lord of the Rings route. And it paid off. T'Challa was setup to do even greater things in the sequel and future films. However, that formula allowed from them to pivot away from him with the tragedy. Thats the issue (in hindsight)

[9th.]

blah blah blah trash post movie still won oscars and was a cultural moment.

I can disagree with with what they are doing now. However, in one movie with T'Challa as lead they made magic happen.

I agree, I think trying to paint Tchalla as a weak lead just because people like and want to explore Wakanda is dumb.

[BlackClaw]

Yeah.. bit the movie isn't coming out till late next year, IF even then given the Letitia situation, Which could push it to 2023, and then what? Your going to think people are going to look at them killing T'Challa off nearly 3 years after Chads passing as some beautiful thing? Nah it will be seen as tone deaf and trying to exploit and profit off Chadwick's passing. ALOT can change from now till 2022/2023 in regards to movie success. That bar is going to climb again

Yeah if there’s anything good to come out of this is that it shows just how many people have come around to the idea of a recast, because I remember when it was literally just a handful of us. And this interview just proves the decision to not recast was an emotional knee jerk reaction rather than a calculated and well thought one.

[Ezyo1000]

Honestly the current situation is reinforcing how weak the first movie was. T'Challa left little impact and is seen as a completely inconsequential and replaceable character. In no world would they consider not recasting other major characters after one solo movie.

No,

The current situation was just explained in the tweet posted a page back. They literally had a knee jerk reaction and completely made a massive change to the franchise based 100% emotionally rushed decision. This wasn't thought out at all, and it's showing, it's been showing since the announcement from Feige and since then. It's going to be at a minimum 2 years since Chad's passing and they want to drudge up that memory again? They think that will honor him? Show his family they care by
having the cast act out a funeral on screen? The more time that passes the less genuine the sentiment seems. They should of put BP on hiatus and let the cast grieve first

[John Venus]

Honestly the current situation is reinforcing how weak the first movie was. T'Challa left little impact and is seen as a completely inconsequential and replaceable character. In no world would they consider not recasting other major characters after one solo movie.

I think the opposite. The supporting cast and world was so well developed in the first movie that people were so quick to demand Shuri to take up the mantle or for the Dora Milage/Nakia/Okoye/M'Baku to get their own spin offs. I vaguely recall some online commenters claiming that Killmonger, Nakia and Okoye were the real heroes of the movie. However, with Boseman's passing, it's clear that the movie has lost it's center. People underestimated how critical he was to the process and how he was holding it all together (and battling cancer while at it) and that becomes clear each passing day. That's why the calls for recasting is getting stronger with each passing day and intensified with every red flag that the sequel is raising.

[Dboi654]

T'Challa is trending

[BlackClaw]

Well the point of that post was that the child would essentially be "T'Challa 2.0" except he lost his father at a young age.

I will say I wonder if this is what Martin Freeman was confused about.

I’ve been thinking about this again in light of Nate Moore’s interview. Say T’Challa and Nakia did have a child in between BP and Endgame but he was just offscreen because Daddy had bigger fish to fry (Thanos). I came up with this rather convoluted fan theory on how they could make it work, especially if the kid is named T’Challa II. After BP2, there will be a team up film with Kang as the main villain and since he’s the master of time, Kang decides to target all the major heroes and teams in the MCU at that point. So Shuri, M’Baku, Okoye, Nakia, and possibly Ayo and Aneka are ambushed by Kang and pulled into a temporal limbo. Basically Kang is doing the opposite of what Thanos did, where as the mad titan targeted everyone, Kang targets a few specific individuals that will be key to foiling his plans. So not only does he pull the Wakandan Heroes into the void, he also gets Shang-Chi and his allies, The Fantastic Four, Namor, The Marvels, Captain America, Thor, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Blade, the Hulks, the Young Avengers, and literally all the major heroes on earth that have been introduced at that point are pulled into the limbo. Ant-Man, having been through this song and dance before starts freaking out as he knows that literally every second counts as time passes by differently in the outside world. The other heroes brush him off thinking that he’s being extra but Doctor Strange tells them that Ant-Man has a point. Eventually they break out of the void, but the thing is they’ve been in there for about 18 hours, which translates to 18 years in the outside world. And Kang has taken over everywhere except Latveria, Atlantis and Wakanda. And then blah blah blah, **** happens, the heroes regroup to fight Kang but get their asses kicked. Kangs about to end it until a bunch of Wakandan battle ships and some impressive looking Panther mechs rain fire upon him.

Shuri and the rest of the Wakandans look to see who’s leading the charge and it turns out to be a new king of Wakanda that rose to power while they were in the void. The king shouts “YIBAMBE!” with the army behind him also shouting before screaming “Wakanda Forever!” and leading the charge against Kang, thus turning the tide in the heroes favor all while the theme song with the chorus shouting “T’Challa” blasting full volume. Then yadda yadda, they beat Kang and Shuri asks the new king his name to which he’ll say something like “Aunt Shuri, I am King T’Challa the second, son of King T’Challa” or some **** like that. Basically this would be a way to age up the kid (again assuming the rumor is true) without significantly aging the other characters in the process. He would also have T’Challas comic accurate traits such as his genius level intellect and prep time mastery.

Again this is assuming IF Coogler is going through with the whole T’Challa jr thing as a way to say “see guys? T’Challa is still in the MCU”. I personally think the idea is convoluted and stupid and I know this idea is needlessly complicated. Personally I think it would be a lot easier to just drop a variant of T’Challa in the main timeline and call it a day but all this could have been avoided had they just took time to grieve then recast. But here we are. Smh.

[MindofShadow]

I love the movie. Think its one of the GOAT comic book movies ever.

However, in hindsight it was almost too good. Wakanda was revealed too early. Supporting characters were made too strong.

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They deviated from their formula and made something other than Lead + Villain + "funny support" is all that matters.

They spent time making everyone "more." And then casted brilliantly for those small roles. So something like say... N'jobobobobobo being memorable AT ALL is a testament to Sterling and Coogler. And then they did the same thing to EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that introduced. Hell, the weakest character in the film was probably ANGELA BASSETT lol. Like wth? No one was wasted, no character was just "there."

And Chadwick lead all that. He was the mountain peak in a mountain range instead of say... a tree in a valley. What other lead at Marvel could survive that cast and still stand out? Sure as hell ain't Scarlett, any of the Chris's, Simon, Tom, Brie... anyone lol?


And this should have made the sequel that much better. But instead they lost the lead and because of the strength of the cast, think they can still do it "good enough."

Where they f'd up royally, is choosing the WEAKEST ACTOR of the cast as the lead. And that doens't even get into her "outside the set" problems.

[The Kid]

Well my interest in the Black Panther franchise and all Wakanda spinoffs is completely gone without T'Challa

[davetvs]

They deviated from their formula and made something other than Lead + Villain + "funny support" is all that matters.

They spent time making everyone "more." And then casted brilliantly for those small roles. So something like say... N'jobobobobobo being memorable AT ALL is a testament to Sterling and Coogler. And then they did the same thing to EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that introduced. Hell, the weakest character in the film was probably ANGELA BASSETT lol. Like wth? No one was wasted, no character was just "there."

And Chadwick lead all that. He was the mountain peak in a mountain range instead of say... a tree in a valley. What other lead at Marvel could survive that cast and still stand out? Sure as hell ain't Scarlett, any of the Chris's, Simon, Tom, Brie... anyone lol?


And this should have made the sequel that much better. But instead they lost the lead and because of the strength of the cast, think they can still do it "good enough."

Where they f'd up royally, is choosing the WEAKEST ACTOR of the cast as the lead. And that doens't even get into her "outside the set" problems.

How is this at all a **** up on Marvel's part? Chadwick died. The comics and the MCU both set precedence for the mantle passing to Shuri in this instance. People really need to get over it. For those who are clamoring for a super genius straight black male self-insert character to justify their fandom, Blue Marvel is right there. There should be more of a push to adapt him into the MCU rather than shitting all over the future of MCU BP/Wakanda because T'Challa is no longer around.

[Ezyo1000]

They deviated from their formula and made something other than Lead + Villain + "funny support" is all that matters.

They spent time making everyone "more." And then casted brilliantly for those small roles. So something like say... N'jobobobobobo being memorable AT ALL is a testament to Sterling and Coogler. And then they did the same thing to EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER that introduced. Hell, the weakest character in the film was probably ANGELA BASSETT lol. Like wth? No one was wasted, no character was just "there."

And Chadwick lead all that. He was the mountain peak in a mountain range instead of say... a tree in a valley. What other lead at Marvel could survive that cast and still stand out? Sure as hell ain't Scarlett, any of the Chris's, Simon, Tom, Brie... anyone lol?


And this should have made the sequel that much better. But instead they lost the lead and because of the strength of the cast, think they can still do it "good enough."

Where they f'd up royally, is choosing the WEAKEST ACTOR of the cast as the lead. And that doens't even get into her "outside the set" problems.

This here. Granted Lot of the stronger star power is gone (Sterling, serkis, Whitaker, MBJ) so in theory, had Chad still been alive, they could of used the cast that remained, and developed then more in the sequel while Focusing back into T'Challa and show how he is different and the consequences of opening Wakanda.

Honestly the first would of been just fine for getting T'Challas characteristics of they didn't literally give every tech feat to Shuri, to the point of it being a bit silly, and at the very least the credit for making vibranium inert to transport should of been T'Challas idea. Literally from the comics he figures out how to make vibranium inert and they gave that to Shuri as well.

That was Dumb. They could of used that to show that Shuri is all about the latest and greatest WK tech but T'Challa functions on the large scale. It literally wouldn't of taken anything away from her, she had a whole lab of tech stuff she created.

But as you said, it was a star studded cast and now for the sequel the weakest of them all, is supposedly going to lead the franchise? I think she is going to be the weakest and overshadowed by everyone like people claimed Chad to be. Except she actually be because people seem to forget that it's easy to make a character stand out when they are only on screen for 15 min at most.