T'Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2021

[Ekie]

I disagree with this take on a few things.

One is that Zemo hasn't been just a Cap villain for a long time, in the comics hes been a major threat to the avengers as leader of the Masters of Evil and its looking like he is going to be doing big things in the Marvel movies moving forward with rumblings of Thunderbolts happening.

Also Zemo didn't quite face justice but he was intended to. Theres subtle things in these movies about characterization with TChalla and it shows how his BP differs from his fathers in that he doesn't jump to outright killing his enemies. He had every opportunity to kill Zemo and Klaw but he didn't, he has an aspect of mercy and justice to him that goes beyond simply taking life.

Besides if he killed Zemo that wouldn't have been a problem to Zemo himself lol

We don't know exactly how Zemo escapes yet but I think he's going to has a new lease on life considering he is no longer trying to suicide himself out of the problem

So you think wakanda will deal with him again? Doubtful.

I honestly doubt the killing will even be referenced again. The man killed the king of a warrior nation amd Tchallas father. Tchalla even in his mcu form wasnt above killing as he was intent to kill klaw had spectators not stopped him.
Yea we know Tchalla wont get to kill zemo because its movies w kids in theaters but the LEAST he could have done is bring him to wakanda to answer for the crime. Hiding his already exposed identity wasnt a good enough excuse.

Zemo may be an avenger level foe but he certainly isnt a Wakandan one. And now hes likely done with Wakanda while klaw is dead (at Michael b Killmongers hand not Tchalla) and diminished. It bothers me because it benefits Tchalla's franchise in zero way. Tchalla granting his wish of death is not out of character for tchalla. Hes not a kill first character sure but he certainly is more than the noble negro Hollywood trope.
Just not a good look at all for both wakanda or Tchalla with Tchakas killer now running free w a new lease on life in another characters franchise.

Also, I dont think this zemo will be an avenger level threat again and even if he does become one again...Tchalla is gone from the MCU. Think theyll let Okoye take him down in an avenger movie? Doubtful

[Ekie]

https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/ki...ther-1-review/

Thank you!
That is the Wakanda we deserve! All that goodness in just a preview.
Who do we yell at to get Thorne control of this franchise lol

[Ekie]

Indeed there are some holes in the CW story, and T'Chaka dying when T'Challa is a grown man as opposed to a child is definitely a big difference in how he operates. So I agree with that. However, that sympathetic story is not Eriks as he didn't vow to never be unprepared again but raged against the world and wanting to spread as much pain and hurt as he felt under the guise of liberation.
But T'Challa not Killing Zemo made sense because if he killed him (unless it was a slow death) it would of given Zemo what he wanted as he was trying to commit suicide. I am just more annoyed that T'Challas characteristics weren't as Clearly defined like they should of been more than anything. Like leave no room for debate. Thats more detrimental that anything else

Fair points but Eric WAS the sympathetic figure in the movie. He saw his dead father as a kid, then trained his entire life through school and the military to prepare himself, then had the heartbreaking scenes with his dead father. The audiance was clearly presented ALL of that information despite how brutal he was. Thats why the audience loves the character and a segment wants him redeemed and made Panther. With Tchalla we were left to infer. We got veey little flashback scenes of him and his father as a kid and very little to sympathize with other than the tough choices he had to make. Didnt even get backstory on his training or education. Casuals need to be shown and told as they were with Michael B Killmonger not aluded to as with Tchalla. I think this explains a lack of connection to the character by the mass casual watcher. Just My opinion ofcourse.
But Imagne the reaction if the kid we got to see holding his dead fathers body and vowing to train and prepare himself for the future was Tchalla instead of Killmonger.

[Will Evans]

So you think wakanda will deal with him again? Doubtful.

I honestly doubt the killing will even be referenced again. The man killed the king of a warrior nation amd Tchallas father. Tchalla even in his mcu form wasnt above killing as he was intent to kill klaw had spectators not stopped him.
Yea we know Tchalla wont get to kill zemo because its movies w kids in theaters but the LEAST he could have done is bring him to wakanda to answer for the crime. Hiding his already exposed identity wasnt a good enough excuse.

Zemo may be an avenger level foe but he certainly isnt a Wakandan one. And now hes likely done with Wakanda while klaw is dead (at Michael b Killmongers hand not Tchalla) and diminished. It bothers me because it benefits Tchalla's franchise in zero way. Tchalla granting his wish of death is not out of character for tchalla. Hes not a kill first character sure but he certainly is more than the noble negro Hollywood trope.
Just not a good look at all for both wakanda or Tchalla with Tchakas killer now running free w a new lease on life in another characters franchise.

Also, I dont think this zemo will be an avenger level threat again and even if he does become one again...Tchalla is gone from the MCU. Think theyll let Okoye take him down? Doubtful

Probably why Zemo is now running around with his infamous full face mask. He knows Wakanda will be after him.

[Ekie]

Maybe...we will see

[Ezyo1000]

Another good review

https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-i...ther-1-review/

This makes me think one thing based off the review itself. This should of been a 2 parter

I disagree with this take on a few things.

One is that Zemo hasn't been just a Cap villain for a long time, in the comics hes been a major threat to the avengers as leader of the Masters of Evil and its looking like he is going to be doing big things in the Marvel movies moving forward with rumblings of Thunderbolts happening.

Also Zemo didn't quite face justice but he was intended to. Theres subtle things in these movies about characterization with TChalla and it shows how his BP differs from his fathers in that he doesn't jump to outright killing his enemies. He had every opportunity to kill Zemo and Klaw but he didn't, he has an aspect of mercy and justice to him that goes beyond simply taking life.

Besides if he killed Zemo that wouldn't have been a problem to Zemo himself lol

We don't know exactly how Zemo escapes yet but I think he's going to has a new lease on life considering he is no longer trying to suicide himself out of the problem

Well that's not true. In CW he was trying to kill Bucky, he didn't kill Zemo because Zemo was trying to kill himself. He didn't kill klaw bit because of Mercy but because they had alot of eyes on them in korea since there was a huge car chase that had just ended and people were surrounding them with phone's out. It wasn't anything to do with Mercy and everything to do with the fallout. Guarantee you this, if Erik didn't break klaw our he would of been taking back to Wakanda abd personally executed by T'Challa himself.

[MindofShadow]

Theres subtle things in these movies about characterization with TChalla and it shows how his BP differs from his fathers in that he doesn't jump to outright killing his enemies. He had every opportunity to kill Zemo and Klaw but he didn't, he has an aspect of mercy and justice to him that goes beyond simply taking life.

I don't agree with this.

He straight up was trying to kill Bucky. He would have cut his throat open if SW didn't stop him and toss him 100 feet. He only stopped when he realized he got duped.

He didn't kill Zemo because Zemo wanted to die. That wasn't mercy, he wanted him to pay still. And then, he used it as a bargaining chip.

He didn't kill Klaw just because people were watching. He was full on murder mode until Nakia stopped him and made him see people were recording. And then he was still gonna drag his ass back to Wakanda to presumely be executed .

And, T'challa stabbed his cuz right in the gut lol. One of the few Marvel heroes to be 100% responsible for the death of his villain with no help.

The only thing stopping T'challa for murder was plot devices, not mercy.

Probably why Zemo is now running around with his infamous full face mask. He knows Wakanda will be after.

We will see.

I hope there is at least a mention of Wakanda not being happy about this. With all the other types of mentions and easter eggs in everything (wandavision is full of them), not mentioning it is defintely a headscratcher and will show how much Wakanda ties into future plans in the MCU

[Ekie]

I don't agree with this.

He straight up was trying to kill Bucky. He would have cut his throat open if SW didn't stop him and toss him 100 feet. He only stopped when he realized he got duped.

He didn't kill Zemo because Zemo wanted to die. That wasn't mercy, he wanted him to pay still. And then, he used it as a bargaining chip.

He didn't kill Klaw just because people were watching. He was full on murder mode until Nakia stopped him and made him see people were recording. And then he was still gonna drag his ass back to Wakanda to presumely be executed .

And, T'challa stabbed his cuz right in the gut lol. One of the few Marvel heroes to be 100% responsible for the death of his villain with no help.

The only thing stopping T'challa for murder was plot devices, not mercy.



We will see.

I hope there is at least a mention of Wakanda not being happy about this. With all the other types of mentions and easter eggs in everything (wandavision is full of them), not mentioning it is defintely a headscratcher and will show how much Wakanda ties into future plans in the MCU

That would definitely give me some hope for the (still entertaining) MCU

[MindofShadow]

That would definitely give me some hope for the (still entertaining) MCU

Even in their own canon, it would make sense.

Klaw popped up for the first time in ages and the damn KING went after him himself.

Zemo escaping would be on T'challa.... errr.... someones radar immediately

The only way you could handwave it not being on their radar is if the Decimation and Blip had them scrambling. And then add in the death? of T'challa on top of it.

[Ezyo1000]

I don't agree with this.

He straight up was trying to kill Bucky. He would have cut his throat open if SW didn't stop him and toss him 100 feet. He only stopped when he realized he got duped.

He didn't kill Zemo because Zemo wanted to die. That wasn't mercy, he wanted him to pay still. And then, he used it as a bargaining chip.

He didn't kill Klaw just because people were watching. He was full on murder mode until Nakia stopped him and made him see people were recording. And then he was still gonna drag his ass back to Wakanda to presumely be executed .

And, T'challa stabbed his cuz right in the gut lol. One of the few Marvel heroes to be 100% responsible for the death of his villain with no help.

The only thing stopping T'challa for murder was plot devices, not mercy.



We will see.

I hope there is at least a mention of Wakanda not being happy about this. With all the other types of mentions and easter eggs in everything (wandavision is full of them), not mentioning it is defintely a headscratcher and will show how much Wakanda ties into future plans in the MCU

The difference between T'Challa and T'Chaka is that T'Challa, when on murder mode, had a lot more focus than T'Chaka. Whereas T'Challa wanted to save Erik T'Chaka straight up murdered his brother, left his body for his kid to find, and left said kid alone without anybody lol. T'Challa atleast took more into consideration when killing, hence why he didn't straight up murder klaw in public because of what that would of done to himself and Wakanda

[MindofShadow]

The difference between T'Challa and T'Chaka is that T'Challa, when on murder mode, had a lot more focus than T'Chaka. Whereas T'Challa wanted to save Erik T'Chaka straight up murdered his brother, left his body for his kid to find, and left said kid alone without anybody lol. T'Challa atleast took more into consideration when killing, hence why he didn't straight up murder klaw in public because of what that would of done to himself and Wakanda

T'challa first genius suit invention was probably retractable claws.

Tchaka: T'challa, I need you to work on making the suit claws retractable

Kid T'challa: why is that baba?

T'chaka: ..... no real reason..... just to give you more options in the future....

[Redjack]

But Imagne the reaction if the kid we got to see holding his dead fathers body and vowing to train and prepare himself for the future was Tchalla instead of Killmonger.

EXACTLY why that scene is in Sins of the King.

[BlackClaw]

https://www.cbr.com/agents-of-wakand...disney-series/

D+ show based on Agents of Wakanda? With Nakia and Okoye, hell yeah.

I’d be down for an agent’s of Wakanda show, especially with the idea of M’Baku and W’kabi being team members. All they need is representatives from the mining and merchant tribes.

[Ekie]

EXACTLY why that scene is in Sins of the King.

And it was beautifully done. Explained his motives and his flaws all in one scene. That's his "becoming Batman " moment mentally

Quick question though sir. I jumped on Disney Plus because I wanted to watch Panthers Quest and see one of my favorite scenes the scene where black panther tells Captain America to take his hand off of his shoulder *gigles like a school girl*(when Panther is in king mode w Attuma) and i had to goto avengers assemble...then scroll to season 5 just to find it. Are you allowed to shed light on why it wasnt billed as its own show and tied to that cartoon instead? Just feels limiting since a season 2 can't technically happen if its part of Assemble.

[Ekie]

T'challa first genius suit invention was probably retractable claws.

Tchaka: T'challa, I need you to work on making the suit claws retractable

Kid T'challa: why is that baba?

T'chaka: ..... no real reason..... just to give you more options in the future....

Another thing that sounds like it would have been fantastic to see in the MCU