Clint Barton: Hawkeye Appreciation 2021

[Odd Rödney]

I don't understand folks being upset about all the killing. It's the middle of a character arc. Clint will have to atone for this in some way and in doing so he will develop.

Plus, the Avengers have murdered heaps of folks, when you think about it.

[juan678]

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[Matternativ]

I think there's a general disconnect between the tone and style of the MCU and the level of violence/casual killing we actually see in the movies that they don't really dwell on.

Guess the difference is that the Avengers killing people was a side result on mandated missions by SHIELD or afterwards the World Security Council. The goal wasn't killing people, it was stopping Hydra or preventing terrorists from acquiring biological weapons. So when these guys opened fire on the heroes they sorta had it coming, whereas Clint's sole goal was to murder people and he wouldn't stop even if they surrendered.

I do agree though that the contrast would work better if they had established some kind of no kill rule as in the comics.

I don't disagree that there are differences mostly in the sense of maybe-not-so-bad criminals serving as collateral damage.
The whole thing suffers from having been a subplot of tertiary importance in a movie that has kept these things kind of vague hence we don't know if you must have been involved in something truly bad for Ronin to have shown up or whether pushing an old lady at the sidewalk was enough to get you killed.
Hell it ain't much clearer what exactly he did as a shield agent.
We know he accepted collateral damage when he helped Natasha in Budapest.

[Frontier]

I don't disagree that there are differences mostly in the sense of maybe-not-so-bad criminals serving as collateral damage.
The whole thing suffers from having been a subplot of tertiary importance in a movie that has kept these things kind of vague hence we don't know if you must have been involved in something truly bad for Ronin to have shown up or whether pushing an old lady at the sidewalk was enough to get you killed.
Hell it ain't much clearer what exactly he did as a shield agent.
We know he accepted collateral damage when he helped Natasha in Budapest.

I don't think he knew about the little girl though...

[Matternativ]

I don't think he knew about the little girl though...

Maybe but I wasn't under the impression the whole building was supposed to be empty iirc.

[OOTCS]

I don't think he knew about the little girl though...

I don't see how he couldn't have known, since the entire plan rested on her. But I can sort of see them justifying it somehow by saying that killing this one girl will end the Red Room forever, thereby saving all the other girls. But in this case it just seems like he was killing to express his anger. He clearly didn't shut down the Tracksuits (and probably didn't completely shut down the Yakuza or any of the other criminal organizations he went after).

[chicago_bastard]

We know that Clint knew about Dreykov's daughter because he was the one who told Loki about it when he was under his mind control.

[Sneakronicity]

We know that Clint knew about Dreykov's daughter because he was the one who told Loki about it when he was under his mind control.

He knew about it when Loki had him, but we don't know he knew about it at the time. He and Natasha were very close so there are things she could have told him years later. I agree it's all quite vague, though Endgame did make sure to point out that it was the drug cartel and Yakuza specifically he went after in that film, not just random petty criminals.

[Kaitou D. Kid]

How are the Clint Barton fans so far? Are you all enjoying the show so far? If so, that's good.

So far it's great. It's a good blend of Fraction Hawkeye and MCU Hawkeye. Plus the Christmas theme was a good choice. We won't be debating if this is a Christmas story the way we debate that with Die Hard.

[Matternativ]

That's actually like my least favourite aspect of it but then again I don't want Christmas in anything because I'm a Grinch.

[Frontier]

I am really bummed Clint has no relationship with Swordsman here.

[Matternativ]

I feel like the show goes out if it's way to highlight the differences between MCU and Comic Clint.
spoilers:

- he meets jack through Kate - he doesn't go for the dodge challenger - he asks "why boomerang arrows"

end of spoilers
I know some people get bummed out about it but it feels like a form of acknowledment to me in a way.

[Ruby Quartz Diamond]

I am really bummed Clint has no relationship with Swordsman here.

Same. Whatever this show addressed with Clint regarding his past is only his Ronin past and his survivor's guilt over Nat's death. I'm concerned on how they are going to wrap the show in 2 episodes with so many things thrown at the audience. The show so far has been a disappointment and kinda meh, which is how I feel with every Phase 4 project except for Shang-Chi.

[Matternativ]

I do feel like now would be a nice time to dive into everything pre Shield or something.

[Frontier]

I feel like the show goes out if it's way to highlight the differences between MCU and Comic Clint.
spoilers:

- he meets jack through Kate - he doesn't go for the dodge challenger - he asks "why boomerang arrows"

end of spoilers
I know some people get bummed out about it but it feels like a form of acknowledment to me in a way.

I hate Ultimate Hawkeye in MCU Hawkeye.