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    According to Meltzer Wyatt's release was due to budget cuts.

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    Crazy idea time: Malakai Black and/or Bray Wyatt (who eventually comes to AEW) turns The Dark Order into a heel faction via purges and dramatic betrayals? A mutual build up of both the stars and that faction?
    Not a bad idea!

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    With negative 1 being in the dark order I doubt the stable can go back to what it use to be. Better off creating another dark stable.

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    It was said that weeks ago a new insider trading type lawsuit was gonna hit the WWE as the company had settled one months ago. This one was gonna be more expensive and the big cost is what were seeing happen more than likely.

    No idea what name Rotunda (his real name) will use in AEW or elsewhere. But he could be perfect to re-turn the Dark Order back into a heel faction and make them dark heels again.
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    I’d let Wyatt do whatever he wants to do first, much like Black. They don’t really need stables if they’re happy to be solo stars. The main thing they need is someone willing to give them substantial victories.
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    I'd rather see Rotunda have a round in Japan first.

    He'd be killer over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibSuperstar View Post
    According to Meltzer Wyatt's release was due to budget cuts.



    Not a bad idea!
    Yeah, I'm also reading that John Laurenities told him that it was budget cuts.

    Which is crazy because The Fiend character was selling a ton of merchandise.

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    Yeah, I'm also reading that John Laurenities told him that it was budget cuts.

    Which is crazy because The Fiend character was selling a ton of merchandise.
    Exactly. That logic is idiotic. "We need to save money, so let's fire one of the wrestlers that sells the most merchandise!"

    I know it's just mindless speculation, and I've been one of those people that have fought against the "they sky is falling" crowd with WWE in the past, but with a lot of the business decisions they've made over the past 1-2 years, it honestly feels to me like they're readying to sell the company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodle View Post
    Exactly. That logic is idiotic. "We need to save money, so let's fire one of the wrestlers that sells the most merchandise!"

    I know it's just mindless speculation, and I've been one of those people that have fought against the "they sky is falling" crowd with WWE in the past, but with a lot of the business decisions they've made over the past 1-2 years, it honestly feels to me like they're readying to sell the company.
    *If* they were planning to sell the company, than it might make some sense to free the company up of Wyatt’s contract.

    If they aren’t… then it’s just some form of hubristic idiocy, no matter what the ostensible reason is. If you’ve reached a point where you want to free-up wage space, Wyatt should be one fo the *very* last people you consider. I mean, I could actually kind of get releasing Braun; Vince could argue he’d “created” him in a way that proved the “system” worked, so Braun’s success would “prove” he wasn’t a unique commodity… but Bray’s been as much a creative force as a talent.
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    Insane news about Bray being released from WWE today. Honestly, with all these releases and rumors that folks like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are heading to AEW, it’s like Vince wants AEW to take WWE’s spot as the top wrestling promotion.

    There are several reasons going around for Bray’s release one bring budget cuts and the other being that Bray is still trying to heal mentally from Brodie Lee’s death ( they were really close). Third is that Bray is also very protective of his Fiend character and clashed with WWE creative on how his character should return etc.

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    I'd say its a combination of Wyatt's being strong willed and the WWE afraid of giving a wrestler that type of control again. That this move is more a punishment deal for Bray because he isn't playing WWE ball with creative.

    Then you have the company needing to spend millions of dollars to go live again and handle some lean selling ticket issues. Which has them needing money there.

    And finally the insider trading suit case that just hit weeks ago. The last one they settled for millions of dollars. This one could be bigger.
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    AEW just filed for a King of Harts trademark on top of American Dragon.
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    Also it wasn't just Punk and Danielson on AEWs wish list. They offered Kurt Angle a contract according to him about coming in to work matches.

    Angle sadly declined it saying he's in no physical shape to wrestle anymore. That he's in pain and from what he claimed days before...he will be having a neck fusion surgery soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Legion87 View Post
    Insane news about Bray being released from WWE today. Honestly, with all these releases and rumors that folks like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are heading to AEW, it’s like Vince wants AEW to take WWE’s spot as the top wrestling promotion.

    There are several reasons going around for Bray’s release one bring budget cuts and the other being that Bray is still trying to heal mentally from Brodie Lee’s death ( they were really close). Third is that Bray is also very protective of his Fiend character and clashed with WWE creative on how his character should return etc.
    idk why he's protective of the character at this point, that character is ruined. i hope he finds something new and equally unique.

    looks like i'll get the switchblade reunion i've been wanting will finally happen. sadly it won't be on tv.

    did anybody watch impact last night?? i forgot they were doing a show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLbo View Post
    idk why he's protective of the character at this point, that character is ruined. i hope he finds something new and equally unique.

    looks like i'll get the switchblade reunion i've been wanting will finally happen. sadly it won't be on tv.

    did anybody watch impact last night?? i forgot they were doing a show.
    I’d be protective of my creativity, not just a single persona I’d created, even from just a strictly business perspective at this point.

    WWE managed to ruin previous gimmicks Wyatt had gotten over by simply being too impatient and short-sighted to give him just the handful of serious victories he’d need to prolong their shelf-lifes into more than a decade of profitability for himself and the company… then he went and reinvented himself again for an entirely new, merchandise-heavy gimmick that got over, sold like gangbusters… and promptly got impatiently wasted again.

    And let’s say that, hypothetically, Wyatt figures he could resuscitate and resurrect the Fiend gimmick even just a bit to maximize its remaining profit (and given this is wrestling, that could potentially happen at a big profitability margin)… would he want to work with WWE creative towards that goal when they’ll just waste it again?

    We’re see the old joke about “What’s Vince McMahon wants to be best for business vs What’s actually best for business” aspect of WWE play out again.

    Vince remains maybe the greatest businessman in his industry, but his control freak tendencies and denial about his mediocre booking skills means that he has a genuine compulsion to “prove” his creative genius at the expense of his talent and holistic bottom-line; because he’s such a ruthlessly effective businessman in ensuring his company’s profits through network deals and contracts, he can afford to live in a fantasy land where he dictates what the most profitable booking is and how important his “system” is compared to his talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    I’d be protective of my creativity, not just a single persona I’d created, even from just a strictly business perspective at this point.

    WWE managed to ruin previous gimmicks Wyatt had gotten over by simply being too impatient and short-sighted to give him just the handful of serious victories he’d need to prolong their shelf-lifes into more than a decade of profitability for himself and the company… then he went and reinvented himself again for an entirely new, merchandise-heavy gimmick that got over, sold like gangbusters… and promptly got impatiently wasted again.

    And let’s say that, hypothetically, Wyatt figures he could resuscitate and resurrect the Fiend gimmick even just a bit to maximize its remaining profit (and given this is wrestling, that could potentially happen at a big profitability margin)… would he want to work with WWE creative towards that goal when they’ll just waste it again?

    We’re see the old joke about “What’s Vince McMahon wants to be best for business vs What’s actually best for business” aspect of WWE play out again.

    Vince remains maybe the greatest businessman in his industry, but his control freak tendencies and denial about his mediocre booking skills means that he has a genuine compulsion to “prove” his creative genius at the expense of his talent and holistic bottom-line; because he’s such a ruthlessly effective businessman in ensuring his company’s profits through network deals and contracts, he can afford to live in a fantasy land where he dictates what the most profitable booking is and how important his “system” is compared to his talent.
    I agree with all of this.

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