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The only thing ruining that coffin match was the end.

AEW needs to work on their booking because it is getting predictable at this point.

I guess they're saving their SCHOCKING wins for another day.

This would've been a perfect way to change up Darby ...

I liked that ending. That skateboard to the back was pretty sick (although the crucifix power bomb on the steps should be a match ender IMO).

I didn’t really “get” Darby Allin before but I’ve grown to warm up to the kid.

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The only thing ruining that coffin match was the end.

AEW needs to work on their booking because it is getting predictable at this point.

I guess they're saving their SCHOCKING wins for another day.

i'll take predictable but decent-good booking especially if the matches deliver. lord knows over the years i've settled for far less. the fact that they have midcarders over enough to main event the show says a lot for the booking imo.

idk if it's adjusting to the live crowd or what but seems to me like their heel/face dynamics were off.
archer seemed to be a face last few weeks but now he going after mox. the reactions for cage vs starks, i know a undersized heel vs a huge babyface isn't the easiest thing to pull off but i felt bad for cage. they probably should've let starks cut a promo or something. yuta debuting against sammy, brit baker is always that way i guess so maybe it's intentional?? and i still question the decision to debut both black and andrade as heels.

This would've been a perfect way to change up Darby ...

i'm interested, what did you have in mind?? HIJOS DEL RUSSO 4-4-4-4-LIFE.

I liked that ending. That skateboard to the back was pretty sick (although the crucifix power bomb on the steps should be a match ender IMO).

I didn’t really “get” Darby Allin before but I’ve grown to warm up to the kid.

people want to just label him a "spot monkey" but he's got a little more than that going for him.

[JBatmanFan05]

people want to just label him a "spot monkey" but he's got a little more than that going for him.

Yeah, I'm talking more notice of Darby's talent, his drive to put on a good match. Sammy Guevara had a good match too, I'm noticing him more.

Dynamite was fantastic overall. The crowd made such a difference. And AEW picked the right matches for this moment.

[Immortal Weapon]

One of my issues with AEW is that they are stipulation match happy. Like, I don't think Darby has had a regular match with Ethan Page during their entire feud. They had a tornado tag, the cinematic match and the coffin match. I don't think they had a standard match before things escalated.

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i'll take predictable but decent-good booking especially if the matches deliver. lord knows over the years i've settled for far less. the fact that they have midcarders over enough to main event the show says a lot for the booking imo.

idk if it's adjusting to the live crowd or what but seems to me like their heel/face dynamics were off.
archer seemed to be a face last few weeks but now he going after mox. the reactions for cage vs starks, i know a undersized heel vs a huge babyface isn't the easiest thing to pull off but i felt bad for cage. they probably should've let starks cut a promo or something. yuta debuting against sammy, brit baker is always that way i guess so maybe it's intentional?? and i still question the decision to debut both black and andrade as heels.

AEW’s audience is *very* smark heavy and tends to embrace the old Attitude Era idea that a character is only a heel if the audience wants to boo him… and that there’s nothing wrong with rooting for someone who “should” be a heel.

MJF is maybe the only 100% heel on the roster who would be almost impossible to get cheers for, because he works at it… and even he’s someone who, if he got hurt for real or real life intrigued on the story, would likely be over for the immediate time period.

AEW is more openly like a pantomime or fourth wall breaking melodrama - the villains are enjoyed for being over-the-top caricatures rather than regarded as true bastards.

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I liked that ending. That skateboard to the back was pretty sick (although the crucifix power bomb on the steps should be a match ender IMO).

I didn’t really “get” Darby Allin before but I’ve grown to warm up to the kid.

I think I should clear up what I meant by ending. I meant who won and how. I enjoyed the spot and the build.

This Coffin Match should be a feud ender but when Ethan Page was boxed and Darby was announced the winner .. and then Darby did his finish through the coffin ... it came across that this was the beginning of round 2 of their feud.

The better ending, IMHO, would've been to either a) have Page not stay down in the casket and he keeps kicking the lid off, so Darby hits the Coffin Drop and the lit slams shut for a No Contest, or b) similar but as Darby leaps, Page pulls it shut, causing Darby to go through, with Darby winning on a technicality.

My preference would've been to put Page over as he needed the rub more than Darby. Then Darby can come back with a slight repackage and revenge. Which I will get to shortly ...

i'll take predictable but decent-good booking especially if the matches deliver. lord knows over the years i've settled for far less. the fact that they have midcarders over enough to main event the show says a lot for the booking imo.

I agree for the most part, however, whenever a BIG MATCH™ is announced, you know who's going to win. AEW needs to work on that. It started to get really bad with the Bucks vs. FTR and Omega vs. OC. We need some shockers from time to time on the big ones. There's something to be said for the logic in the build but ... we need some upsets. I really am only feeling that in the women's division but even then, people like Statlander and Conti are getting to the point that I KNOW they're going to win everything until they job to Baker.

i'm interested, what did you have in mind?? HIJOS DEL RUSSO 4-4-4-4-LIFE.

Nothing TOO drastic but either play up the Sting connection more or give him even more of an edge like Mox but with more theatrics. His Tweet with him burning the coffin ... that would be a good starting point IMHO. There's something there that I can't put my finger on that they could blow up more on him. Have him go so far that Sting decides he's crossed a line ... and he tries to take him down. I'm thinking anti-Sting here, Bane to Batman, Venom to Spider-Man, type thing. Darby goes villain and can go tween anti-hero, IMHO. Maybe that is what I am feeling? He can be like Orton, Pentagon, early Edge. Does that make sense?

Maybe him and Mox should just have a feud!?

Yeah, I'm talking more notice of Darby's talent, his drive to put on a good match. Sammy Guevara had a good match too, I'm noticing him more.

Dynamite was fantastic overall. The crowd made such a difference. And AEW picked the right matches for this moment.

I would like to see Darby and Sammy feud.

One of my issues with AEW is that they are stipulation match happy. Like, I don't think Darby has had a regular match with Ethan Page during their entire feud. They had a tornado tag, the cinematic match and the coffin match. I don't think they had a standard match before things escalated.

They do book like a video game A LOT but ... what do you expect? You have a Rhodes on the booking team.

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They do book like a video game A LOT but ... what do you expect? You have a Rhodes on the booking team.

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[BigLbo]

AEW’s audience is *very* smark heavy and tends to embrace the old Attitude Era idea that a character is only a heel if the audience wants to boo him… and that there’s nothing wrong with rooting for someone who “should” be a heel.

MJF is maybe the only 100% heel on the roster who would be almost impossible to get cheers for, because he works at it… and even he’s someone who, if he got hurt for real or real life intrigued on the story, would likely be over for the immediate time period.

AEW is more openly like a pantomime or fourth wall breaking melodrama - the villains are enjoyed for being over-the-top caricatures rather than regarded as true bastards.

i agree with a lot of that. i think you have to give a lot of credit to omega & the bucks for getting their desired reactions from the crowd. all the over babyfaces will get cheered against those guys.

couple of things. i forgot to mention jericho as a face saying he'd ko ali.....reminded me of lamberts promo the week before where he's saying **** to get heat but then mentioning well respected legends(and also accompanied by mma fan favorites masvidal & nunes). also i didn't realize starks came up in texas so that kind of explains that but still knowing that perhaps they should've done that match/angle a different night.

I think I should clear up what I meant by ending. I meant who won and how. I enjoyed the spot and the build.

This Coffin Match should be a feud ender but when Ethan Page was boxed and Darby was announced the winner .. and then Darby did his finish through the coffin ... it came across that this was the beginning of round 2 of their feud.

huh, that wasn't the vibe i got. i got a sense of finality from it especially with commentary literally calling it the nail in the coffin. i guess we'll see.

The better ending, IMHO, would've been to either a) have Page not stay down in the casket and he keeps kicking the lid off, so Darby hits the Coffin Drop and the lit slams shut for a No Contest, or b) similar but as Darby leaps, Page pulls it shut, causing Darby to go through, with Darby winning on a technicality.

idk beastie, i don't care much for coffin matches and the like ending in a no contest or on a technicality.

My preference would've been to put Page over as he needed the rub more than Darby. Then Darby can come back with a slight repackage and revenge. Which I will get to shortly ...

I agree for the most part, however, whenever a BIG MATCH™ is announced, you know who's going to win. AEW needs to work on that. It started to get really bad with the Bucks vs. FTR and Omega vs. OC. We need some shockers from time to time on the big ones. There's something to be said for the logic in the build but ... we need some upsets. I really am only feeling that in the women's division but even then, people like Statlander and Conti are getting to the point that I KNOW they're going to win everything until they job to Baker.


Nothing TOO drastic but either play up the Sting connection more or give him even more of an edge like Mox but with more theatrics. His Tweet with him burning the coffin ... that would be a good starting point IMHO. There's something there that I can't put my finger on that they could blow up more on him. Have him go so far that Sting decides he's crossed a line ... and he tries to take him down. I'm thinking anti-Sting here, Bane to Batman, Venom to Spider-Man, type thing. Darby goes villain and can go tween anti-hero, IMHO. Maybe that is what I am feeling? He can be like Orton, Pentagon, early Edge. Does that make sense?

Maybe him and Mox should just have a feud!?



I would like to see Darby and Sammy feud.



They do book like a video game A LOT but ... what do you expect? You have a Rhodes on the booking team.

not a big fan of ethan page but i got no problems with any of that.
now try this on for size. instead of doing the spot with scorpio at the beginning, towards the end of the match have page put into the coffin and suddenly the lights go out. hit the lights and tommy end is behind darby, he turns around and black mass. ethan throws darby in the coffin and gets the w. later or next week end cuts a promo to the effect of darby playing with coffins but he'll show him the real darkness or whatever. darby could be a good feud for end after he "takes out" cody.
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i would like to see a proper feud between darby and janela, though it might be a step backwards for darby it would elevate janela, plus i've seen them have some pretty awesome matches in the past.

[BeastieRunner]

not a big fan of ethan page but i got no problems with any of that.
now try this on for size. instead of doing the spot with scorpio at the beginning, towards the end of the match have page put into the coffin and suddenly the lights go out. hit the lights and tommy end is behind darby, he turns around and black mass. ethan throws darby in the coffin and gets the w. later or next week end cuts a promo to the effect of darby playing with coffins but he'll show him the real darkness or whatever. darby could be a good feud for end after he "takes out" cody.
HIJOS DEL RUSSO POR VIDA

Love it! The new guys shouldn't always debut against Cody and the like ... you want to build new stars? Treat your up and coming like that. Getting Black to debut like that would've probably given him a lean into some true heat. AEW needs more hard heels, IMHO, like MJF.

What's funny, is Darby has listed Black as his "dream match" in the past and as recent as 2 days ago.

i would like to see a proper feud between darby and janela, though it might be a step backwards for darby it would elevate janela, plus i've seen them have some pretty awesome matches in the past.

Darby/Janela are on my AEW feud wish list, too. In addition to Mox/Darby I also have:

Sammy vs. Darby
Jericho vs. Sammy
Santana and Ortiz vs. Bucks with Santana and Ortiz winning the titles
Page vs. Mox, with Mox going heel
Page vs. Omega right after that feud with Page winning
Luchasaurus vs. Miro
Jungle Boy vs. MJF
Baker vs. Sakazaki
Statlander vs. Shida
Archer gets the FTW championship and destroys it
Statlander vs. Baker
Conti vs. Baker
Conti vs. Statlander
... and lots more.

[BeastieRunner]

WWE 2K22 has announced a huge chunk of the roster. Daniel Bryan is not on it. Also, AEW is attempting a trademark on American Dragon.

LET THE RUMOR MILL SPIN!

[JBatmanFan05]

whenever a BIG MATCH™ is announced, you know who's going to win. . We need some shockers from time to time on the big ones. There's something to be said for the logic in the build but ... we need some upsets.

I don't know how big of a problem it is, but I do agree this is something AEW could work on. The match outcomes are a bit too predictable at times. And it's not just because most of us are well experienced at predicting match outcomes.

[BeastieRunner]

I don't know how big of a problem it is, but I do agree this is something AEW could work on. The match outcomes are a bit too predictable at times. And it's not just because most of us are well experienced at predicting match outcomes.

Undercard, build-ups to big feuds, they are great for the most part. But the big matches with the likes of the OG Elite have all pretty much been predictable. Cody's going to put over the new talent, Bucks are going to super kick party for the win, Omega is going to go over, etc.

[BigLbo]

Undercard, build-ups to big feuds, they are great for the most part. But the big matches with the likes of the OG Elite have all pretty much been predictable. Cody's going to put over the new talent, Bucks are going to super kick party for the win, Omega is going to go over, etc.

it's a bit of a balancing act. you don't want to sacrifice the "right guy winning" or miss pulling the trigger at the right time for the sake of unpredictability. and in order to book a dominant reign of terror there has to be some period of predictability.

imagine of jungle boy would've upset omega for the title. that would've been a huge shocker and a great moment that people would never forget, but in the long term i think it would've been a mistake.

i'm very interested to see how things play out with adam page & omega. page isn't one of my guys but they've done a great job with him. i remember somebody saying they damaged him by putting him with the dark order but i say the proof is in the pudding. 1st they did great job getting him over in the 1st place compared to where he was when he 1st challenged for the title. he might've cooled off a bit while doing the dark order stuff but they kept him over and now he's ready. the question is is it the right time for omega to drop the title??

[JBatmanFan05]

it's a bit of a balancing act. you don't want to sacrifice the "right guy winning" or miss pulling the trigger at the right time for the sake of unpredictability. and in order to book a dominant reign of terror there has to be some period of predictability.

imagine of jungle boy would've upset omega for the title. that would've been a huge shocker and a great moment that people would never forget, but in the long term i think it would've been a mistake.

I absolutely agree. It's hard to know the right moment to pull an unpredictable surprise, but maybe AEW could use them some more to help get a heel over in a feud or springboard a babyface. WWE, when I used to (regularly) watch (1986-2004), was a bit more effective in that area.

[Immortal Weapon]

Davey Boy Smith Jr worked a dark match on Smackdown last night. I guess he will be working for the company again.